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Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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Regarding Boom there are only two reasonable conclusions one can reach: 1. They are a Theranos-style operation 2. They are a Madoff-style operation I, a lone aerospace engineer working out of my garage in my spare time, have a better chance of achieving supersonic flight than Boom does. Even their technology demonstrator is an obvious scam. It demonstrates nothing. It does not demonstrate the ability to design, build…

Well, the problem was never technological to start with. The problem with supersonic transports was and will always be economic. There's a reason that there were only two SSTs in the 20th century instead of the five or six that were planned, and it's because the bean counters at Boeing, McDonnel-Douglas, and Lockheed-Martin wouldn't let their companies bankrupt themselves over a vanity project. So, you take that and…

John Michael Greer summarized it wonderfully in the book 'Dark Age America'. Don't confuse technical capabilities with economic realities. Argued that Boeing never getting the SST off the ground was probably one of the better disasters to befall them.

Vaclav Smil was right in pointing out that passenger jets have gotten much more fuel efficient since 1967 but they travel no faster. The fuel savings were passed onto passengers and that made flight more appealing. Economics ultimately rule over what lasts long term.

Super sonic flight is a marvel of engineering but an economic nightmare. It is this lens by which a lot of technologies should be judged long term.

Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla certainly delivers cars. But there are parts of it that are quite Theranesque, especially the self driving: * Re-sell third party products for a while ("Until our own offering is ready"). If the recently posted self parking video is to be believed, the in-house products are still not on par with the third party predecessors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA * Pre-sell your product years before it's r…

You forgot "engage in lots of dubiously legal union busting"

That's pretty normal for all new firms, regardless of whether or not their promises have much to do with their deliveries.

Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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Sadly Boom is doomed and it’s been a writing on the wall all along. They never had a good engine option. The military engines are not safe enough and developing a new civilian engine makes sense only if you make hundreds of them. Their net-zero emission claim is also bogus. Their pricing model doesn’t make much sense either unless they’re willing to lose money for a decade or so. There is not much innovation in aerod…

Luckily for Boom there is a supersonic engine startup in the YC S22 batch! https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/velontra

Good luck to them but it sounds like an expensive solution. I’d be super excited to see a scramjet startup but scramjet is always decades away like the fusion reactor.

Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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Just last month they were saying they'd be manufacturing the first aircraft in 2024. This company just looks like another huge investor scam at the moment.

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That is entirely users doing that. Admins didn't touch those comments or even see them...I've been dealing with nothing but the queen all day and didn't even look at this thread until now.

We don't flag comments that are critical of YC companies; we moderate HN in exactly the opposite direction, as I've explained many times: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... That's not to say we don't moderate at all—but we do considerably less than we normally do.

Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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The existing automakers are making EVs faster and cheaper than Tesla did, and the EVs they are making have substantially greater build quality than Tesla's vehicles.

Tesla’s profit margin is higher than most of automakers. So no, EVs made by traditional automakers are not cheaper. If anything that means Tesla’s cars are more desirable because they can command a premium. Faster? What is that supposed to mean? Tesla is the largest EV maker by volume (not sure if I miss any Chinese ones). Substantial better build quality? Define substantial. Who decide that? Certainly not the consum…

It's easy to goose profit margins when you don't use automotive grade parts and skip quality control.

Consumer Reports stopped recommending Teslas because of the abysmal quality of their vehicles. And every Tesla owner I personally know has said their first Tesla will also be their last.

Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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Just last month they were saying they'd be manufacturing the first aircraft in 2024. This company just looks like another huge investor scam at the moment.

Think I remember lot of comments here criticizing Boom being downvoted and flagged. Is Boom part of YC by any chance?

That's a clever insinuation, and since you've had many HN accounts in the past, and used them to abuse the site in similar ways, I'm going to be a notch less charitable than usual and conclude that you meant this and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32771519 as an innocent-sounding smear.

For anyone worried about this kind of thing: what the commenter is insinuating is, in fact, just what we don't do. Here's tons of past explanation about this: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....

In particular, we flagged zero comments in this thread and unkilled a bunch of comments that users had flagged.

Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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Uh… DARPA, In-Q-Tel, etc…

I don't see how that is a refutation of what I wrote. For every example that people can point to of how government funding creates innovation you can point to a private example too. Heavier than air flight was mostly private money, jet engines were mostly government. The transistor was mostly private (Bell Labs) the IC was mostly government. In terms of energy the two most important things in the last few decades are…

> The transistor was mostly private (Bell Labs)

Wasn't Bell Labs indirectly funded by the French Government?

Re: Rolls Royce Ends Boom Supersonic Partnership

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The answer is in the article... the remaining contenders are General Electric and Pratt & Whitney

What about CFM or Safran?

CFM hasn't ever developed a supersonic engine. Safran's one military turbofan is an 80's non-supercruise design. It would be a long way to go for either of these outfits to produce an entirely new supercruise turbofan.
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