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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by mizzao »

seltzered_ wrote: post #186
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

more than $2000, but https://www.litmotors.com/ was trying to do an enclosed self-balancing two-wheeler for a decade (their Founder/CEO has a pretty bad injury a few years ago) - supposedly they're reforming but we'll see.

Yikes for the side impact collision...

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Post by pengaru »

therealrootuser wrote: post #187

As someone that is currently in the market for a new car, I would love to get an EV, but I also don't have a good way to charge. Seems like most EV owners just charge at their house, but what about people that don't have access to a good power tap? (apartment dwellers, renters, etc.) Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently down…

Once EV's become mandated for all new car sales, I fully expect new laws requiring rentals w/parking to provide EV charging facilities. They already require things like toilets and proper bathroom/shower ventilation, it's not particularly new ground to force landlords to jump through such hoops.

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Post by agumonkey »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

It might come. People are buying bike cargo nowadays. A weathered electric powered would make sense.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by epistasis »

sandworm101 wrote: post #170
epistasis wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes that is a story, but what is its relevance to what I am writing?

A huge number of people are about to lose electricity at precisely the time they most need it, should they need to flee in an EV. Lack of electricity is not a rare occurrence.

From the exact same quote, gas doesn't get pumped when the electricity goes out either:

> Jasper's mayor, recommended residents and visitors to the park ensure their essential electric devices remain fully charged and that their vehicles have full tanks of gas — since gas stations rely on electricity.

I think there's a huge logical gap that people have when it comes to EVs.

The number of places with functioning gas pumps but no electricity is a rounding error.

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Post by NegativeLatency »

sandworm101 wrote: post #55
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I just completed a ~1600km drive back from visiting family. Half way through the outbound trip, in the middle of the mountains, I had to make a 300km detour due to a massive accident (two semi trucks head-on closed a mountain highway for more than a day). The detour was through a valley with no cellphone coverage for 150+km. At a rest stop I met a tesla driver in a panic. Without internet he was unable to figure out…

> driving prized cattle from a show, some of which were 4h projects

That was worse than I thought it was going to be.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

al_mandi wrote: post #177
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been in situations in an ICE where I've been diverted and had no clue where the next gas station would be (not really uncommon in Nevada or California). Heck, I've been on an actual interstate through Kansas in the middle of the night and...I had trouble finding an open gas station for our car (bad planning on my part, I thought 40 miles of range was surely enough to find the next one, I never saw gas stations c…

Part of planning for very long road trips should be to carry a spare can of gas with you to account for incidents.

I never expected to run out of gas on an interstate. We aren't talking about a highway in the middle of nowhere Nevada, supposedly Kansas is populated with little towns everywhere (which seem to close their gas stations at night).

And ya, when you are at some place like Crater Lake National Park, you don't really think too deeply about how the next gas station might be 100 miles out.

If I was going into the Australian outback, preparations are necessary, but running out of gas due to poor planning or unexpected situations is at least as common as running out of battery due to similar poor planning (or unexpected situations).

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Post by NegativeLatency »

reaperducer wrote: post #183
sandworm101 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More inconvenient facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_OLgC4nV0 88,000 people in perhaps 50,000 vehicles all taking the ONE road out of town. Some kind companies setup fuel trucks by the roadside to top up tanks. Gas delivery can be scaled up and even made portable in an emergency. Had those 50,000 vehicles all been EVs, tens of thousands of people would…

88,000 people in perhaps 50,000 vehicles all taking the ONE road out of town. That's an interesting point. We see this a couple of times a year in the United States — tens, or even hundreds of thousands of people evacuating because of an approaching hurricane. It takes hours and hours and hours to go not very far. And when you finally get someplace with an open hotel room, it's hundreds of miles away. Although I beli…

Even cars are barely up to the challenge in that case.

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Post by Scarblac »

snuxoll wrote: post #132
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> Bike infrastructure can be used for walking. Please, no more of this. Bicycles should be on their own dedicated right of way, mixing them with cars is dangerous for cyclists, but mixing bikes with pedestrians is dangerous for pedestrians. Multi-use paths are fine for recreation, but they are not transit infrastructure and should not be treated as such.

And this is especially true for 30mph ebikes. Those really don't mix with pedestrians.

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Post by NegativeLatency »

ericmay wrote: post #71
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

EVs may currently be unfriendly toward self-repair but that doesn’t always have to be the case. I’d also suggest that you are operating under the illusion of self-repair. Is replacing a transmission something you can do? An engine? Sure let’s say you can. Personally I can’t replace an engine any more than I can replace a motor on an EV. I don’t have the tools, I still have to rely on society to procure the engine and…

Replacing an ev motor sounds easier to me than an engine. Assuming you can get parts

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by powersnail »

fomine3 wrote: post #179
endisneigh wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A golf cart has to travel on the same roads as a car, except it's slower and less safe. No advantage really.

Slower is safer for pedestrians. It's safer alternative for (?) elders than a full featured car.

Changing lanes will be pretty difficult if the golf cart is much slower than general traffic.
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