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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by StanislavPetrov » Mon, Aug 08, 2022, 8:37 PM UTC

yomkippur wrote: post #136

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #108

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>A crime is a crime This is most certainly false. A crime is a violation of a law. Laws are passed by groups of people, not handed down by some infinitely wise and just being. For example, in many African nations, it is illegal to be gay. Would someone imprisoned for the "crime" of being gay be justified in escaping? Would Julian Assange be justified in escaping his dungeon for exposing the crimes of the US governmen…

I can't believe you would actually try this dead end argument. Let me guess, if somebody robs you tonight, they didn't commit a crime, they just violated a law that were passed by a group of people that punishes the impoverished who justified their actions.

>I can't believe you would actually try this dead end argument.

I cannot believe the stunning inability for people to understand that laws are not based on some sort of immutable, objective moral code but are invented by human beings. Do you think Harriet Tubman was a bad person because she helped those who violated the law? Would you have contacted the authorities immediately when you saw an escaped slave, due to their violation of the law?

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by yomkippur » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 1:47 AM UTC

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #201

yomkippur wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't believe you would actually try this dead end argument. Let me guess, if somebody robs you tonight, they didn't commit a crime, they just violated a law that were passed by a group of people that punishes the impoverished who justified their actions.

>I can't believe you would actually try this dead end argument. I cannot believe the stunning inability for people to understand that laws are not based on some sort of immutable, objective moral code but are invented by human beings. Do you think Harriet Tubman was a bad person because she helped those who violated the law? Would you have contacted the authorities immediately when you saw an escaped slave, due to th…

What are you trying to get out of these debates you engage with yourself online? Find something better to do with your time and maybe you will be happier.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by prionassembly » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 12:53 PM UTC

EdwardDiego wrote: post #61

rado wrote: post #46

It's good that this case pulled the lid off (sorry) Japan's questionable justice system. See also: child abduction in mixed marriages https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/their-children-were-taken-...

Yeah my brother had a child with his Japanese wife last year, and she became very unwell mentally post-partum, but won't seek treatment. He's desperately unhappy, but he has to stay in the marriage, as he has no chance in hell of seeing his son if he leaves, foreign spouses never win a custody dispute in Japanese courts, and Japan does not do shared custody.

In a closely similar situation, I went for counseling personally. It helped me understand where she's coming from and stick it out. You can never judge other people, but marriages have their lows and it's worth fighting for them -- at least more often than pop culture and individualist mores ("get out, it's getting you down") would have you believe.

And I mean, you will have your cross to bear eventually. That's life.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by someperson » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 3:34 PM UTC

trhway wrote: post #83

CamperBob2 wrote: post #18

Wow, not hard to see how the next 9/11 will happen. The staff at the charter jet terminal were almost criminally clueless. "So, how exactly does the security work around here, anyway? Is this huge crate going to be X-rayed? Because it needs to not be X-rayed. Also, here's a $10,000 tip, just to make sure you, um, don't remember us."

Laws, including custom checks, passport checks, etc. are for regular people. There was even a recent program on NPR how different is the life of super-wealthy. And while super-wealthy is a totally different game, even upper middle class money already distort the reality in a much more comfortable way. I'm watching a case in Santa Clara of an NVIDIA director, a Russian immigrant, who 2 years ago being drunk and speedi…

> There was even a recent program on NPR how different is the life of super-wealthy.

Link?

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by EdwardDiego » Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 1:21 AM UTC

prionassembly wrote: post #203

EdwardDiego wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah my brother had a child with his Japanese wife last year, and she became very unwell mentally post-partum, but won't seek treatment. He's desperately unhappy, but he has to stay in the marriage, as he has no chance in hell of seeing his son if he leaves, foreign spouses never win a custody dispute in Japanese courts, and Japan does not do shared custody.

In a closely similar situation, I went for counseling personally. It helped me understand where she's coming from and stick it out. You can never judge other people, but marriages have their lows and it's worth fighting for them -- at least more often than pop culture and individualist mores ("get out, it's getting you down") would have you believe. And I mean, you will have your cross to bear eventually. That's life…

He's in counselling, but to handle being the subject of her rages and paranoia. Post-partum psychosis isn't really something you can understand their viewpoint on.

She really needs professional assistance but won't seek it, and her family have been slow to move her towards doing so, as her Dad is a prominent religious official in their small town, and there's some shame in having an unwell daughter.

But, recently they've acknowledged that there is something that needs treatment and have been gradually approaching it, which gives my brother hope. He loves her, of course, but there's marriages worth fighting for, and marriages where you're being abused. Currently, his is the latter.

So... not super similar ;)