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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by PTOB »

NhanH wrote: post #143

Officially, Taiwan agree to the “One China” stance. They even agree in the 1992 consensus that RoC and PRC does not agree who is the legitimate government of both mainland China and Taiwan islands, but the One China stance itself is not something in dispute. The constitution of Taiwan claims sovereignty over mainland China, although they added an amendment to differentiate “free area” citizens (Taiwanese) and citizen…

Definitely a Civil War, but it's been going on for almost 100 years. According to Taiwan (NRC), the PRC is an ongoing rebellion. Hindsight being 20/20 Taiwan should have cut its losses back in the 1960s, admitted defeat, and seceded. PRC now has too much military power for that to be a real option.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

helloworld97 wrote: post #198
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

"Apple need to operate in the boundary of law. That's it." Whose law? Whose norms? Apple may be a global company but it uses American sovereignty, intellectual property law, and influence on other sovereign nations with respect to protecting its wealth, even if a good chunk of it is generated overseas.

Ask Apple, they are more knowledgeable than you and I combined.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by CogitoCogito »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #148
CogitoCogito wrote: post #128

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> So, if a supposedly neutral international body sees it fit to maintain the link, then what hope have you got for individual countries or their companies ? The body was most certainly not neutral.

Neutrality in politics doesn't refer to a Platonic ideal where the existence of a conflict doesn't affect you in any way. Neutrality is a pragmatic message: "I understand you two have a conflict, I'm not going to take it upon myself to solve it, but I'd like to operate here regardless". One option is of course to say that nobody should be neutral in the conflict between China and Taiwan, but the obvious objection is…

I don't know why you're over-complicating this. The body that decided on that terminology didn't even invite Taiwan to participate. The terminology was chosen at the behest of China. That body was obviously not neutral.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by tz18 »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #190
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

How many yuan you get for this post?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by bell-cot »

hunterb123 wrote: post #134
bell-cot wrote: post #70

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Perhaps. OTOH, my experience (modest n) is that a fairly large percentage of people are happy to say "Shame on Apple" for such things. Vs. a near-zero percentage are actually willing to avoid buying products made in (mainland) China, or with major components made there. Talk was cheap long before "Performative Activism" had its own Wikipedia page.

So OP can't shame Apple for this moral behavior because others buy Apple's product? Would you apply that same standard and does it hold up to other scenarios? If people were buying textile products from the slave trade, would you say "perhaps" when other (or the same) people shamed those industries for supporting slave labor? If people were buying nuts and fruit from exploited migrant workers, would you still be able…

OP is free to say "Shame on Apple", boycott Apple, and publicly pray for the gods to smite Apple from On High. If OP's actual interest is in discouraging such corporate behavior, then only the second of those options seems likely to accomplish anything.

Re: Cotton - even if every ill-treated cotton worker suddenly became a well-treated union member, there's still the huge moral problem of how much of the Earth's scarce fresh water and farmland are devoted to growing cotton - when millions of poor people face grim shortages of food and safe water. I admit that being an old geezer makes it easier, but my approach is to buy far fewer new clothes & textile products than the average American. That strategy completely fails to grant me 100% moral purity on the issue. OTOH, it does far more good than fashionable kids decrying the deplorable status quo.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by helloworld97 »

helloworld97 wrote: post #198
bigcat12345678 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

"Apple need to operate in the boundary of law. That's it." Whose law? Whose norms? Apple may be a global company but it uses American sovereignty, intellectual property law, and influence on other sovereign nations with respect to protecting its wealth, even if a good chunk of it is generated overseas.

That was a rhetorical question - I know the answer to it already. I don't think you do though.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by [deleted] »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #182
cma wrote: post #131

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The US heavily supported Taiwan before they were a democracy (first free elections in 1995; before that they were a military dictatorship). Our support seems to be geostrategic and for capitalism (or in other cases for access to natural resources), with democracy being ancillary. Saudi Arabia is one of our biggest allies. If Taiwan didn't have anything to offer they'd have to rely on Brad Pitt or something instead of…

The US values many things in its foreign policy, and some of those things are spreading democracy and self-determination. That doesn’t mean the US values them to the exclusion of other interests like trade partnerships, energy security, regional stability, and military alliances. Countries in the US sphere of influence tend to drift toward becoming democracies, in part because of the influence of free trade. Both Tai…

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by koshergweilo »

Clubber wrote: post #153
INTPenis wrote: post #86

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It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Yes it should be picked up but the US can't just go in swinging with China. Nobody wins.

>It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. Ya, and if that happens, expect a draft. The US military is having difficulty finding volunteers. They'll need a whole lot of soldiers, sailors and marines if we went all out with China. >It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's wi…

> Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's willing to send our boys and girls to war for a political stunt is pretty disgusting

The only reason she went was because the US military deemed it safe to do so. No one wants a war right now.

> I wonder what she was really trying to accomplish.

Why not listen to her words?

"We must stand by Taiwan, which is an island of resilience. Taiwan is a leader in governance … . At the same time, Beijing is squeezing Taiwan economically, pressuring global corporations to cut ties with the island, intimidating countries that cooperate with Taiwan, and clamping down on tourism from the [mainland]. In the face of the Chinese Communist Party’s … accelerating aggression, our congressional delegation’s visit should be seen as an unequivocal statement that America stands with Taiwan, our democratic partner, as it defends itself and its freedom."

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by rurp »

ericmay wrote: post #118
josephcsible wrote: post #62

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> And basically everyone here is choosing cheaper Chinese goods so we're all complicit too. I don't buy Chinese goods just because they're cheaper. I only do so when there's no choice to buy the same kind of product from anywhere else. For example, try to find a power bank made somewhere other than China.

Sooo I'd just say I'm not really "never buy anything made in China", my comment was more geared toward if you're going to criticize Apple for making things in China, ostensibly for political reasons, that doesn't excuse your own buying of things made in China, particularly when you have options (power banks notwithstanding).

For a large amount of products consumers don't have a choice, or it's hard to know. Many products simply aren't made in western countries any more because the work was all shipped overseas, regardless of what the average citizen wanted.

I would bet that many shoppers buying products fullfilled by Amazon, an American company, don't realize that they are buying from China 99% of the time.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by MonkeyMalarky »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #190
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

>Apple need to operate in the boundary of law. That's it

Forgive me for being naive here but how does Taiwan buy weapons? Are all the arms manufacturers selling to them breaking the law?

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