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Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Like this: https://dmoz-odp.org/

Is this still active? Seems like a great idea, but the page says it's an archive and the search doesn't work. :(

They've apparently moved to https://curlie.org

Their discussion forum is https://www.resource-zone.com/forum/

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GPT-3 prompt: I really love the vibe of Koh Lanta in Thailand. It has tourist amenities without really being touristy. I find it charming, slow and cheap. Is there a place in Croatia like it? Completion: There is no exact place in Croatia that has the same vibe as Koh Lanta in Thailand. However, there are places in Croatia that have a similar charm and slower pace. These places include Hvar Island, Korcula Island, an…

GPT-3 and DALL-E scare me. This is too good. I wonder how long it will take before we have a GPT-3 bot commenting here on HN

GPT-3 authored content was already top of HN not long ago

https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/16/21371049/gpt3-hacker-news...

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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There's a lot of Google hate on HN, and much of it is deserved, but I think this particular trend of blaming Google for the prevalence of useless clickbait articles is a bit much. The real answer to this question is that walled-garden social media took over everything. The much-pined-for "Old Google" worked because people used to actually create content on their own sites, and not just post it on walled garden monoli…

The reason why there's more content on walled garden social media instead of personal websites is in no small part Google's fault and not just because of Facebook and Twitter. Google released several updates (such as "Panda") that greatly lowers the rank of domains that aren't linked to by major domains they deem to be trusted, such as those with edu or gov TLDs or whatever whitelist of domains they decided to add. T…

> This is admittedly speculation since the inner workings of Google search are not released to the public.

No, no, Eric Schmidt openly said that "Brands is how you sort out the 'mess'" (in search). And he started prioritizing big brands in search results and disappearing everyone else.

Panda even wiped out individual webmasters or small software houses - they were adding small back links to the websites that they built for their clients, per google's OWN recommendations, for years.

Then google turned around and suddenly penalized all of those legitimate links while 'sorting out the spam'. millions of small businesses, developers, software houses found themselves with zero traffic within a day. their hard earned traffic coming from legitimate business clients. whose sites were also affected similarly.

This caused the rise in internet marketplaces. from amazon to elance, upwork. because the small businesses and individuals were now totally invisible in search results and instead 'brands' dominated. a side effect was killing of independent content in search results and forcing everyone to have to post in social networks for visibility, forcing content creators out of their own blogs into social networks. Which exacerbated the damages that algorithms because now everyone had to obey individual corporations' unaccountable algorithms.

So yes, google has created this mess to a very large degree. Their nonchalant, uncaring attitude towards their users, customers that plagues all of their products crippled search as well. By saying "Brands is how you sort out the mess" and enforcing it top-down, one single ceo single handedly decided the fate of millions of small businesses, blogs, professionals. In a totally unaccountable way with no input from anyone affected.

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> Well, I built sort of exactly this: https://search.marginalia.nu/ What's the elevator pitch? What do you actually do that is special? From the about section: > This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of in favor of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed. > The software for this search engine is all custom-…

The point is to surface human websites and discriminate against content mills, click funnels and e-commerce. For one I have a sort of budget for how much javascript I will tolerate. Some is fine, like your standard wordpress config probably will fly, but not much more. I also do a personalized pagerank biased toward the blogosphere. The likelihood your website shows up in the results is directly determined by whether…

Thanks for the link! I’ve tried it on a few queries and I really really like the results so far! Cheers!

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Even if you got the info straight from another human being I can't imagine anyone would take it at face value and just schedule their trip.

I wouldn't buy the tickets sight unseen, but I would trust you that it's actually a real place, actually in Croatia, and not being conflated with similar-sounding places. Humans, unless they're disturbed or malicious, tend not to hallucinate things out of whole cloth.

So... we’ve got ML models to the point of being able to hallucinate?

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

>having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap. Ugh, this reminds me of the people that move from high tax places to low tax places but want all the benefits of high tax places at low cost. Now, back to the main point, if this was searchable it wouldn't exist. The number one complaint people have today is popular places are too busy, too many tourists come and prices go up and it's over ran.…

I have no idea what Koh Lanta is like, but the world has 1.11 million km of ice-free coastline. I'm also not sure what tourist amenities are, but you can probably build them anywhere you want.

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The reason why there's more content on walled garden social media instead of personal websites is in no small part Google's fault and not just because of Facebook and Twitter. Google released several updates (such as "Panda") that greatly lowers the rank of domains that aren't linked to by major domains they deem to be trusted, such as those with edu or gov TLDs or whatever whitelist of domains they decided to add. T…

> This is admittedly speculation since the inner workings of Google search are not released to the public. No, no, Eric Schmidt openly said that "Brands is how you sort out the 'mess'" (in search). And he started prioritizing big brands in search results and disappearing everyone else. Panda even wiped out individual webmasters or small software houses - they were adding small back links to the websites that they bui…

https://www.wired.com/2008/10/google-ceo-call/

Speaking to a group of magazine executives at the Google headquarters, Google CEO Eric Schmidt said yesterday that the Internet is becoming a breeding ground for false information, reports Ad age. But trusted brands help weed through the disinformation:

"Brands are the solution, not the problem... Brands are how you sort out the cesspool."

https://battellemedia.com/archives/2008/10/cesspool_brands_e...

"Brand affinity is clearly hard wired….It is so fundamental to human existence that it’s not going away. It must have a genetic component."

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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I glad we have GPT-3 and DALLE-E 2 and all the improvements in generative ML. It means the internet will switch from wide discovery mode to narrow subscription and recommendation. This is the only way to deal with generated search spam.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Sorry, unrelated, but your comment hit a pet peeve of mine. I love GraphQL, and I think it has a number of features that make it better and more usable for most APIs than a RESTful interface. The thing I despise about GraphQL is they put "QL" in the name, so legions of software developers think that it is somehow comparable to SQL, or somehow is a generic query language for data. GraphQL has absolutely nothing to do…

> somehow is a generic query language for data. In what sense is GraphQL not a generic query language for data?

because it's not? it's got no "where" clauses or transforms built in and anything of the sort had to be custom built. you can't query any data in the database, only what the API chooses to expose. it's anything but generic. even pagination isn't standardized

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

Yet Google encourages this type of search, where Google operates as some sort of oracle. What seems like an endless army of Google proponents (perhaps they are simply "status quo" proponents) discourage anyone from even attempting to think about how the web could be organised without the need for a Google. In a library, I can do searches restricted to certain subject areas. I might only be searching certain databases…

"The idea is that the FQDN can contain 1. a subject matter description (subdomain) 2. a trademark (domain) and 3. a Nice trademark class (TLD)."

Forgot about 4. an ISO-3166 country code. Thus, the FQDN becomes 1. subject matter description (subdomain), 2. trademark (subdomain) 3. Nice TM class (domain) and 4. ISO-3166 country code (TLD).

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