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Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #184
xtracto wrote: post #146

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I just bought a Thinkpad because my home's other Windows machine died. The laptop is ok in general , and I love the mate screen, but the black plastic body is just horrible. It feels as if it's going to break just by opening the screen. Does apple have some kind of patent for the aluminium body?

> black plastic body is just horrible It might not "feel" premium or durable but it's way more durable than aluminum... Also doesn't heat up as much on your lap.

And it's not actually plastic but magnesium on the upmarket models. Mine has a few scuffs and the metal shines through

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by mbakke »

rowanG077 wrote: post #196
DJeuxg wrote: post #177

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Aluminium is heavy, cold, dents and expensive. Plastic is better in most ways for a laptop shell.

Aluminium has the best property. It conducts heat. Plastic laptops are saunas.

Aluminium is also highly recycleable.

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by darthrupert »

throwingrocks wrote: post #104
necovek wrote: post #100

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> it seems like MacBooks could easily end up becoming the laptop of choice for Linux developers in the years to come. Having used MacBook Pro 14" with an M1 Max for ~6 months, I'd really wonder which developer submits themselves to such a glare-emitting screen and crappy keyboard (and potentially imprinting their palms/wrists on the sharp front edge), if you can get a Thinkpad X1 Carbon for much less? Sure, performan…

> I'd really wonder which developer I’m wondering the same. It’s probably just a few?

lol

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by tekknik »

DJeuxg wrote: post #177
xtracto wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just bought a Thinkpad because my home's other Windows machine died. The laptop is ok in general , and I love the mate screen, but the black plastic body is just horrible. It feels as if it's going to break just by opening the screen. Does apple have some kind of patent for the aluminium body?

Aluminium is heavy, cold, dents and expensive. Plastic is better in most ways for a laptop shell.

So by dent I assume you’re meaning drops? How does plastic survive that better? It’ll shatter, leaving the laptop internals on the sidewalk. I’ll take a dented aluminum body over plastic thanks.

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by tekknik »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #64
nicoburns wrote: post #21

Somewhat surprisingly, Linux support for Apple Silicon MacBooks seems to be shaping up to be better than that for pretty much any other laptop. The Asahi team don’t have support for everything yet (notably no GPU) but what they do have support for seems to be high quality, well integrated with Linux’s conventions, and upstreamed into the mainline kernel! How much other hardware can claim that? The Asahi developers ha…

Apple doing some minimal work to support their own hardware with Linux might bring them some new business. And it sounds like it shouldn't even be that much work. Mainly just documenting their hardware would be good enough to bootstrap that. For developers, macs are just really nice hardware and there are not a whole lot of similarly nice, Linux friendly laptops out there. Most of them seem to be compromises between…

> For developers, macs are just really nice hardware

eh, not quite. for me the OS is the most important part, with great hardware being icing on the cake. I’m not knocking linux, but it’s not for everyone.

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by tekknik »

manholio wrote: post #91
rimliu wrote: post #83

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There is no such thing as "App Store license".

I was referring to the terms and conditions Apple imposes on developers that wish to publish software on the App store.

How is it deliberately incompatible? How is VLC on the app store while claiming in its about page to be GPLv2 licensed? What specific language in the GPL or App Store T&C is incompatible?

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by tekknik »

Twisell wrote: post #110
colomon wrote: post #101

Nothing against the Asahi team, it sounds like they're doing fantastic work. But I'm a little surprised at the talk (which I've seen before) which indicates theirs is the first approach allowing you to use Linux on ARM Macs. A few months ago I used UTM Virtual Machines (which itself uses QEMU) to get ARM Linux up and running on my M1 Mini, and it worked brilliantly. Admittedly I only use the command line interface fo…

I guess working on bare metal was implied. Virtualization have always been useful but it's another use case. Asahi enable user to bypass MacOS entirely which I guess is the only satisfying way to use apple silicone for Linus Torvalds.

What would happen in Linus decided he likes MacOS better? He’s kinda stuck at this point no?

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by tekknik »

hnlmorg wrote: post #20
dncornholio wrote: post #7

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Apple keyboards are the same as Windows, they just have different labels. The ALT key is called "option". CTRL is "control" and the windows key is "command".

Lots more different than that: + Windows has the Windows key (which Linux called "super") + Windows also has the context menu key, which I think it pretty useless to be honest but others might get value from that + The Mac keyboard layout is US-like, even on European models. Which means a bunch of keys are in different places from their European IBM counterparts (like @ and "). The # and / keys I find particularly ha…

> macOS keyboard shortcuts that differ in really confusing ways too. Like + Ctrl+C vs Cmd+C + Text area navigation on a Mac is totally different too. Home and End buttons behave differently. Ctrl+Arrow keys don't work. Shift+Arrow keys don't select. etc

Cmd+C is actually more comfortable to me, as you use your thumb instead of pinky. My pinky is always fatigued after using a Win/Lin machine.

Shift + Arrow keys do select text, you must have something configured differently.

I don't remember what Ctrl + Arrow keys does on Win/Lin, assuming it's word boundaries that is Option + Arrow keys.

Overall my experience with Apple keyboard shortcuts is much more positive than on Window and Linux. On Windows it feels like they've run out of modifier keys due to locking the Windows key behind windows specific features, and Linux mostly just copied windows.

Re: Linux 5.19

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Post by tekknik »

mort96 wrote: post #89
wildrhythms wrote: post #87

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The Command key is not in the same place as the Windows key; the Command key neighbors the spacebar, whereas the Windows key is wedged between Alt and Ctrl.

Oh you're right. I use right cmd/right super so rarely that I never noticed, despite regularly using both types.

It also doesn’t function the same, with the windows key being used mostly (only?) for global shortcuts like locking the machine.
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