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Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Post by anon291 »

rexpop wrote: post #150
anon291 wrote: post #53

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First, we need to dispense with rhetoric like 'this is a dangerous path'. I fully understand that tribes are different and people disagree and in particular, that 'tribes' are ruled by people who may not actually be in charge, may not reflect their tribe's real viewpoint, or may have ulterior motives. However, it is equally dangerous to go down the path of 'Canada did this to massacre the tribes and eradicate their c…

Isn't it possible that some indigenous people "saw the writing on the wall," realized that "if you can't beat 'em, join em," and capitulated with the institutions of their own genocide more enthusiastically than we might demand from the privilege of our armchairs and hindsight?

Yes. But if we're going by possibility it's also possible the chiefs sold out their own people and misrepresented their desires to the Canadian government.

After all in many treaties the financial compensation of the chief was drastically more than the common member. For example in treaty 11 chiefs got 25000 while lay people got 5 dollars. That is a pretty clear disincentive.

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Post by YourFriend87 »

staticman2 wrote: post #200
YourFriend87 wrote: post #192

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Is it "taboo" or isn't it? Maybe just skip the ad hominem stuff and the silly analogies. > you are not using the currently accepted term I think you mean the term that you use. Most humans continue to speak of "men" and "women" as those terms have always been used, with the understanding that exceptions do occur.

To recap: you used the nonstandard term "biological man". I responded that biological man wasn't the currently accepted term people use. You then claimed "Most humans continue to speak of "men" and "women" as those terms have always been used" with the term "biological man" mysteriously dropped from the response as if you realized how ridiculous it would sound if you claimed most people went around using the nonstand…

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Re: A media-fueled social panic over unmarked graves

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Post by int_19h »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #180
int_19h wrote: post #178

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> you're repeating the totally fallacious argument I'm not repeating the argument that the bodies must be dug out because there was a crime (although I also don't see how it is invalid, because this discovery is combined with oral sources which do claim some very serious crimes). What I'm saying is that if this is all true, then there are people responsible for it, who would be rightly held to account - if not legall…

Yeah, and climate denialists don't actually deny that climate change isn't happening, they just think it wasn't human caused, and if it was it's not a bad thing, and if it is it's not fixable anyway, and if it is then it's not worth it and wind turbines cause noise cancer and on and on and on... Except of course they did deny it was happening and very slowly retreated further and further as more and more proof mounte…

Everybody is allowed to make a mistake. What's wrong is denying that one has made a mistake and/or doubling down on it.

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Post by lupire »

tptacek wrote: post #109
prvc wrote: post #106

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Even after all that exegesis, your presumptive point remains obscure. The top-level comment is relevant because it happens to describe the malicious credulity of the journalism consumers who chose to believe the mass graves narrative.

I don't think my point is obscure at all. It is, simply, that C.S. Lewis didn't write that quote to exhort people to skepticism of all wrongdoing; he was instead reminding people not to invent wrongdoing to impute to strangers by dint of them being "enemies". The quote, here, was ill used, as it so often is. Again: when Lewis wrote this, he was talking about the Nazis , the authors of many of the worst crimes in hist…

Part of the problem is that CS Lewis wrote in a deeply ambiguous way, that makes it hard to see what he is trying to say. (And since he is writing about and from a position of religiousity, that ia an extra step backwards from sense-making philosophy.) Quoting him out of context make it even worse.

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Post by adamrezich »

skyyler wrote: post #149
adamrezich wrote: post #72

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I ignored it and it went away. I worked as a cashier at Walmart during most of the pandemic lockdown times and came down with multiple bacterial illnesses as a direct result of having a piece of cloth over my face for eight hours a day, yet somehow never caught covid, despite remaining unvaccinated while working at a Walmart in a tourist town during tourist season. my local civic center set up an emergency clinic tha…

>multiple bacterial illnesses as a direct result of having a piece of cloth over my face for eight hours a day Not that I don't believe you, but why don't surgeons get bacterial illnesses from mask use? Did you regularly wash your mask? >yet somehow never caught covid I wonder if that has something to do with the mask you wore? >the Sturgis Rally being nearby was supposed to make us (Rapid City, SD) a superspreader d…

> Not that I don't believe you, but why don't surgeons get bacterial illnesses from mask use? Did you regularly wash your mask?

yeah it's almost like the whole cloth mask phenomenon was total bullshit!

cases "surged", deaths didn't. the Civic Center was never used.

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Post by puffoflogic »

anon291 wrote: post #61
Jonovono wrote: post #12

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Something I have noticed too, and it seems to be a common trend many are noticing. What do you think causes it? Anyone know any studied terms to explain this? My thinking was that "smart" people are busier and outsource their thinking in other aspects to media they can trust. If that media lies to them, they are smart, so they don't want to admit they were wrong. They are too smart to be fooled! But I don't know if t…

Honestly, I have no idea. Being somewhat educated and by all other metrics part of the 'elite' I am flummoxed by people demographically like myself [1]. [1] By other metrics I mean, I live in a West Coast coastal city, in a rich neighborhood, work in tech, educated, etc. By all measurements I should be like others, but I'm not.

> but I'm not.

What if I told you that every single one of them tells themselves the exact same thing? You wouldn't believe me of course. But then, neither would they believe you.

You probably believe as much nonsense as they do, but you've only noticed what is actually a very small non-overlapping slice of the very large overlapping collection of nonsense beliefs you share with them.

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Post by feet »

pyuser583 wrote: post #171
stefan_ wrote: post #133

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When the suspect is acquitted, does that mean the girl is no longer pregnant? This is an even more absurd point.

If the suspect is acquitted in both the legal system and court of public opinion, than there had been an additional injustice: an innocent man had his name drawn through the mud. Right now the only evidence being presented is his confession: confessions suck as evidence. And it seems he is not a native English speaker. Non native English speakers are especially prone to false confessions (in America), because they do…

None of this addresses the issue that recently enacted laws prevented the victim from receiving treatment.

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Post by exidy »

littlestymaar wrote: post #169
adamrezich wrote: post #91

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what issues have you found with the text of the article that makes it unsuitable to be posted here? I've never heard of this publication, but found the article to be an excellent read. I only had vaguely heard about the "mass graves" situation months and months ago and was completely unaware that no bodies have actually been found. this article does a great job of presenting this information, contrasting it with the…

Imagine you find an article on Sputnik talking about The Bucha massacre and in a well written piece presented evidences that it was all made up by Western Media (“contrasting it with the blatantly false NYT reporting on the subject”) should you believe it? But maybe you're not aware of the fact that Sputnik is a Kremlin propaganda platform and you don't see the problem with the well-argued point the author is making.…

> You admit not knowing Quillette, but is a well-known alt-right website who notoriously don't care about facts and as such their content is no more reliable than Putin's Sputnik.

As a media outlet, Quillette is a valid target of criticism but these sorts of vague slurs are easily debunked with a modicum[1] of research[2].

If you don't like the story, criticise the story.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quillette#Reception

[2] https://www.allsides.com/news-source/quillette-media-bias

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Post by fortran77 »

commandlinefan wrote: post #4
thepasswordis wrote: post #2

It’s crazy how when a lie takes hold, it just stays forever. Another is relayed to January 6th protests. A friend today, a conservative DeSantis supporter, told me that he knew that on January 6th, the protestors killed several police officers. This is, as we know now, absolutely false. It was based on a rumor, and once the reporting caught up, it turned out to be false. Similarly I’m sure there will be Canadians who…

My teenage son was shocked when I told him that none of the three people Kyle Rittenhouse shot were black, and didn't believe me at first until he googled it (and even google showed, on every link, that both of the people he killed and the one he wounded were white). He told his friends, and they didn't believe him until they googled it.

See this story: https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/false-info-about-ritt...
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