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Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Good for him, and a great lesson for chess fans: Play the kind of chess that makes you happy, be it globetrotting super-GM invite-only tournaments or 500 games of back-to-back bullet on Lichess.

...or play 250 hyperbullet games until 5:45 am during the Candidates tournament when you have a game at 3 PM the next day.

https://www.chessdom.com/firouzja-prepares-for-nepo-with-the...

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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post #183

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WC requires copious amounts of high-intensity prep, close to a year from what he has said before, so this is a ROI thing for Carlsen. He has spent half-ish (emphasis on the ish) of his adult life preparing specifically for WC matches.

Why does the WC take so much more prep than other tournaments? Is it because of the format, or just the pressure to win?

Between candidates (the tournament) and the event (the championship between current champ and challenger) there is a large gap so the top two can have time to study each other. Other tourneys you aren’t putting in so much prep about all your possible opponents because there are too many of them.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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So no one can ever quit without it being considered 'breaking'? If not, what would distinguish between 'breaking' and not 'breaking'? Surely, if one can quit without it being considered breaking, resigning while on top is how.

For me it's the intent at the time a decision was made.

What intent constitutes 'breaking'?

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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It isn't known theoretically whether perfect play is enough for black to force a draw. It is also an infinitesimal probability that white starts off in zugzwang (i.e. all possible moves are bad). However the consensus guess is that perfect play yields a draw.

Why is that the consensus guess? I could imagine that a perfect play completely contradicts common chess theory. Just like we can efficiently find approximate solutions for the traveling salesman problem (that are at most 50% longer than the optimal solution), these heuristics have not much to do with the optimal solution.

Because when great players realize they have a position that they connect win are still able to figure out how to force a draw so they don't lose.

> I could imagine that a perfect play completely contradicts common chess theory.

So can anyone. Nobody knows what perfect chess play is. Our best guess though is that whatever your opponent plays you can always force a draw before they can win.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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Zugzwang is the only way for white to lose. Without Zugzwang and a winning strategy for black for chess with Zugzwang, white could skip the first move and now has the winning strategy.

What do you mean skip the first move? Like play a neutral move? Why would such a move exist?

Skip your turn. Don't move anything at all.

Zugzwang means that you would be better off not moving any piece on your turn letting your opponent make two moves in a row. There are a number of endgames that depend on getting your opponent into a position where he has only one legal move and by making it you can then play the winning move. If your opponent could instead skip his turn you have no ability to win the game.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't known theoretically whether perfect play is enough for black to force a draw. It is also an infinitesimal probability that white starts off in zugzwang (i.e. all possible moves are bad). However the consensus guess is that perfect play yields a draw.

Why is that the consensus guess? I could imagine that a perfect play completely contradicts common chess theory. Just like we can efficiently find approximate solutions for the traveling salesman problem (that are at most 50% longer than the optimal solution), these heuristics have not much to do with the optimal solution.

That's an interesting point.

Unfortunately it leaves us in the position of not having much to go by, if expert experience doesn't help analyze the game.

I wonder how different a chess engine and optimal play look for the reduced sized boards.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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It might be worth mentioning a famous abdication which caused a lot of consternation, albeit in another game. I love this story but may have gotten some details wrong. Marion Tinsley was world checkers champion from 1955-1958, then took a break, then again from 1975-1991, when he resigned in protest (at age 64 ). He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over…

It turns out Checkers was solved, for perfect play, in 2007 if anyone was wondering. https://webdocs.cs.ualberta.ca/~chinook/publications/solving...

All the links are broken on that webpage.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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It might be worth mentioning a famous abdication which caused a lot of consternation, albeit in another game. I love this story but may have gotten some details wrong. Marion Tinsley was world checkers champion from 1955-1958, then took a break, then again from 1975-1991, when he resigned in protest (at age 64 ). He was utterly dominant; indeed it is hard to think of a competitor in all of history more dominant over…

Chinook was obviously playing the long con. Knowing Tinsley's weakness was his humanity, so it continued to draw until his frail human body succumbed to the forces of nature, thus winning once and for all.

It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness, that is life.

Re: Magnus Carlsen to give up World Championship title

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post #166

Can someone please explain to me (someone complete out of the world of chess) why he doesn’t like to compete in the World Championship but likes to compete in other tournaments?

The format of world championships (almost all classical games with very long time) mean that preparation is key to going far. Additionally in modern chess with the way points are structured, draws are increasingly common and even aimed for by players when they sense they cannot eke out the win (and they can set them up VERY far in advance at times). This means to do well in the WC you have to prepare a LOT and with the format, the games are more draining and more difficult to get through (there are a number of stories of players who "break" mentally or make critical errors in game 8+ just due to sheer mental/physical fatigue).

Just seems like the format is draining and the games aren't interesting/fun for Magnus.

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