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Re: Russian gas flows to Europe

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Post by ivan_gammel »

fulvioterzapi wrote: post #180
jhgb wrote: post #131

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"Excuses"? If you know that your company shuts down one year from now, why would you be ordering spare parts for five years into the future? Especially if you've known that date for twenty years like Germans did?

Sure, sure, but I find difficult to believe that an industrial superpower such as Germany can't find a solution in a couple of months. The the usual politicians' way of speaking. If there was the political will of having the nuclear power plants works, they would go and find the spare parts in a second. There's no political will (thank you Greens!) so they make up excuses.

Germany is an industrial superpower without military industrial complex and command vertical, meaning that the government is not set up to do such things quickly (in fact, I don’t think even China would be able to move that fast).

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Post by nathanaldensr »

Filligree wrote: post #122
kzrdude wrote: post #95

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We don't know what Europe looks like in 2023 but the electricity will probably be useful then too.

At the rate we're going, I'm not so sure. "Bombed-out wasteland" seems possible.

Why would anyone bomb Europe when Europe is already digging its own grave with its energy policies?

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Post by nathanaldensr »

rasz wrote: post #59
arrrg wrote: post #56

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You are misjudging the mood regarding nuclear power in Germany completely. You would have to expend so much political capital to keep those running, it‘s simply not worth it. Not for the benefit they provide, not for any communication goals you might have.

It might take one cold winter to change their minds.

It appears that very well may happen. When the nature of the uncaring universe is made known to people, many delusions will be swept away.

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Post by timonoko »

Luckily Europe has endless resource of renewable energy. And that is peat. Finnish peat fields alone surpass oil reserves of Norway. Also money-vice. Gas generation from peat is simple process.

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Post by lobocinza »

elforce002 wrote: post #187
toss1 wrote: post #184

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Absolutely NOT. Appeasing the bully or tyrant leads only to more of the same. From the tyrant's perspective, what they did worked (gial achieved) and the opponents indicated that they are OK with it. Thus, they should try the next step they want. The reason this invasion happened was because there was no real push-back to the Crimea invasion. When would you propose that we start fighting back instrad of allowing Russ…

Are you Ukrainian? Because your take doesn't make sense. Do you really think Russia can afford going to war with literally half of the planet? If that's the case, NATO might as well send preemptive strikes (nukes, etc..) to avoid that scenario or probably Russia could foresee that and strike first since they are currently at war. The US was looking to buy petroleum from Venezuela. The same Venezuela they were vehemen…

France could've prevented WW2 in 1936 by intervening when Germany occupied the Rhineland. In 1940 France capitulated.

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Post by vfclists »

rasz wrote: post #175
vfclists wrote: post #165

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Look up the term realpolitik. The US invaded Grenada and Panama when the regimes there threatened her interests and changed them. Why do you think that is a privilege reserved only for the US? If you don't want to accept that sanctions imposed on Russia prior to this ware are a form of warfare you can't be helped. That is the thrust of my argument. Putin understands very well, and simply said F those b*ches I am goin…

'Sanctions imposed on Russia prior to this war' were a direct answer to 2014 Crimea invasion. You are repeating 'US made me do it' bullshit rhetorics, invalidated by putin himself when he got honest for once https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-put... https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putin-adm...

Crimea never belonged to Ukraine.

It was in the Soviet era that Crimea was made part of Ukraine. Once an Ukrainian govt hostile to Russia took over it was inevitable that Russian tanks would move in.

Why do guys like you think that Russia is ready to cut of direct control of a port important to its maritime and naval operations? When America invaded Panama to guarantee its control of the Panama canal where were you?

When Britain tried to wrest control of the Suez canal back from Egypt after Egypt nationalized it, which the US deliberately sabotaged where were you?

Ukraine has been invaded simply because Russia will not tolerate a Government serving a hostile US on its border.

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Post by moistly »

The comments here are IMO definitive proof that Democracy is doomed because its citizens DGAF: too many are all too willing to lick the boots of the nearest authoritarian so long as they aren’t too terribly inconvenienced. Y’all gonna get what you deserve… I just wish your foolishness wasn’t going to drag me down with you.

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Post by userbinator »

littlestymaar wrote: post #118
userbinator wrote: post #72

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The biggest concern is that when things go wrong with nuclear, they really go wrong.

It “really goes wrong” only because we've set a really high bar for safety when talking about nuclear risks compared to most other carcinogenic risks: air pollution, pesticides, alcohol, tobacco, etc. If people where living in Prypiat right now, most of their cancer would come from other sources. Because of the cultural stigma associated with radiations (which itself comes from the very real fear of a world-ending nu…

A short immediate risk is called "danger".

A long sustained risk is called "life".

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Post by _kbh_ »

vfclists wrote: post #164
martythemaniak wrote: post #150

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I remember you, the day before the war started, you bet me $25 that there would be no war ( https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=martythemaniak&next=... ). I'm glad you're alive and there's obviously no need to settle that bet, but despite everything you've been through, your understanding of the situation has not improved. First, the Americans warned everybody that Russia would attack on Feb 16 and they were wide…

Ukraine cannot win this war unless it turns into a war between Russia and NATO, not Russia and Ukraine, with NATO troops and weapons entering the war on Ukraine's side. This war will continue unless the Ukrainian govt decides to sue for peace and enter negotiations with Russia. This war is really about Russia telling the US and NATO to go F themselves. Putin is done with those "b**ches." The purpose of prolonging thi…

Conversely I think it will be quite difficult for Russia to win this war as long as a Ukraine keeps pressure up on their supply depots like they have been for the past week.

If Ukraine starves Russia of ammo they win the war and HIMARS looks like it is doing exactly that.

Additionally every week that goes by is a week that Ukraine gets new weapons in the past couple weeks it was HIMARS in coming weeks it’ll be M270s and Gepards, and in the coming month/s it’ll be NASAMS.

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