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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by kzrdude »

mminer237 wrote: post #129
addicted wrote: post #23

Wait, why did YT remove Ann’s video? She doesn’t show how it’s done. She just shows, through drawings, how dangerous it is. WTF Yiutube.

Because she talks about death, and YouTube can't monetize videos about death.

And thus, the video was deemed worthless to the whole system (unfortunately).

But that's of course short sighted: even a court could find youtube reckless if they selectively remove videos of caution while leaving up dangerous videos; if both are left up they might get off free.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by undersuit »

framapotari wrote: post #93
ajross wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our 12-year-old recently tried to make himself "cheese on toast" by putting both cheese and uncooked bread into the (almost brand new, upright) toaster. Aaargh! I know it's tempting to blame modern technological monstrosities for this nonsense, but kids were lighting toasters on fire before the internet. Source: lit a toaster on fire, prior to the January 1983 IPv4 migration on the ARPANET (and long before I knew w…

I don't think anyone was blaming modern technology, or anything specific, for this nonsense?

The "cheese on toast" anecdote was told in response to someone blaming modern technology for "outright faking craft and cooking tips". Contextually I gathered that modern technology might be part of the conversation.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mywittyname »

richrichardsson wrote: post #68

I was considering searching for and reporting all "Fractal Wood Burning" videos. But you need to be signed in to flag a video, and there's no way I'm polluting my viewing history (and thus what YT thinks I like) with such shit.

You can go back and delete the videos from your history and YT should treat it as though you never watched it. I make use of this on occasion when I click a video I really shouldn't have.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by fendy3002 »

jimnotgym wrote: post #158
fendy3002 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as a gun is always loaded, my take is electricity is always dangerous. Even professionals can get into accidents, moreover us uneducated plebs.

Every electrician I have met, has had some kind of shock in their career. Mostly it is a small induced current issue, which can easily kill you if it knocks you off a ladder....

No matter how many times I see someone changing computer parts while the power is still connected, if I'm doing it I always unplug the power then pressing the power button to ensure it's unpowered

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by wongarsu »

kzrdude wrote: post #64
colejohnson66 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like Big Clive (and Electroboom) because they know how to be safe, but do the stupid thing anyways (safely) to show how bad the ideas are.

I can't watch Electroboom because he always gives himself shocks in every video. Don't care that they are small or it's set up, I can't stand watching it, makes me ill. Seems to be interesting stories he's telling otherwise though, so it's a shame.

I think he's great. Often you have people preaching cargo-culted safety rules without communicating the reasons for them, when you then see other people blindly disregarding those rules without apparent ill effect that reinforces people to do stupid things.

Mehdi/Electroboom shows you what you can do, and why it's dangerous; usually by shocking himself, blowing something up, or having stuff catch fire. He isn't teaching mindless, disprovable safety culture, but showing you the actual boundaries you have to respect. As such he has both videos of "let's shock me with lowly increasing voltage to see when it starts to hurt" and "ranting about badly wired wall sockets and lack of GFCI in this hotel room".

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mrtksn »

DangitBobby wrote: post #149
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Some people die. Is that an acceptable cost? Does your solution make any considerations for ongoing harm? You talk as if this isn't exactly what happened in the current framework of private censorship. Even if abolishing private censorship would cause the scenario you outlined, that wouldn't be worse than the current situation and at least you'd solve the problem of pointless censorship.

If the video goes down and fewer people see it, fewer people die. How was the censorship pointless? You didn't "solve" any problems, you just ignored the actual complexity of the real world to uphold your ideals.

Speech is not magic spell. Sure, in Turkey the government believes that Netflix makes people gay and they regulate Netflix to ungay the Turkish youth but this is just as ridiculous as the censorship on other topics on other parts of the world.

If someone is dying because of a video, the fix is not in removal of the video. Sure, you can put labels agains poor judgement like they do on physical products.

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Post by protonfish »

Retric wrote: post #57
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need things to change here. We need Google to moderate their services properly, Human moderation isn’t perfectly consistent, either. It would be extraordinarily expensive to expect YouTube to have humans moderate everything manually. What are people willing to give up in exchange for a human-moderated version of YouTube? Would we be okay if they charged a $3 “moderation fee” on every upload to cover the cost of…

YouTube could set a views threshold to make manual reviews scale. My guess is 99% of what people watch is the top 0.1% most popular videos which makes things manageable. Highly dangerous video seen by 5,000 people not a big deal. Highly dangerous video seen by 5,000,000 people is.

And this small percentage of popular videos are made by a smaller amount of reputable or disreputable channels. Give me the tools and a few months and I'll clean up the English-speaking toxic content by pruning it at the source. But that won't happen because removing these dangerous, stupid, click-bait farms hurts the business. Fine, whatever. But stop claiming moderation is "impossible" or "too expensive." That is a heinous lie.

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Post by circa »

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

TrikTok is not too far behind with those videos either

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by mihaic »

I'm only now leaning of this phenomenon, and I'm absolutely floored that something like fractal wood burning has claimed the lives of 34 people (known), and there's a general laisse-faire attitude around it.

By itself this is close to the deadliest mass shootings in the history of the United States in terms of human casualties, even though the emotional impact is not the same.

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