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Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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There’s also a lock on that channel he can’t pick - the bowley I think? It has a wild key design.

He can't pick the Abloy Protect2 lock. Less than 10 people in the world can pick it actually.

On its surface, that sounds like a weird claim to make. Even if people would always advertise their ability to pick it, how would you have such an accurate count?

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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He generally only shows locks he knows how to pick. Unlocking is the payoff to the video and I don't think I've seen a single video where he didn't succeed, but if you read between the lines on his older videos, you notice him talking about the locks he recently learned to pick, locks he's never been able to pick, and so on. He's very good, but he's not infallible. He just doesn't show his failures.

The only one I've seen was the Bowley lock. But yeah I sent my unpickable lock to him and he never mentioned it. :( https://youtu.be/7hUonUE1hEY

Upvoted you, because I think your design uses a very similar idea as the one posted by OP, but its design is more simple /elegant.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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post #70

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The interaction of engineering and "use" by the Lock Picking Lawyer ( https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ ) was fascinating - "use" here really meaning "exploiting". It's a problem many here are aware of, either by over-engineering things intended for use by non-engineers, or designing things to be used by customers when the designer isn't intimately familiar with the use. In this case it was sort of somewhere in between. I…

Def want to see Enclave's under Lock Picking Lawyer! If you make a "unpickable lock" you'd def want to send it to LPL, that's like the ultimate proof of how easy/hard it is to pick. The fact that there's no video, with how approachable LPL is and accepts random locks in his PO box, can only be seen as a red flag. Do it in the open, like Stuff Made Here!

LPL makes few videos with locks where he can't do anything. To me it's not a red flag but more likely a signal that he hasn't found an exploit (yet).

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements). https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.

The interaction of engineering and "use" by the Lock Picking Lawyer ( https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ ) was fascinating - "use" here really meaning "exploiting". It's a problem many here are aware of, either by over-engineering things intended for use by non-engineers, or designing things to be used by customers when the designer isn't intimately familiar with the use. In this case it was sort of somewhere in between. I…

I can't be bothered to use YT anymore with all the ads. They're basically interactive, on-demand, corporate TV monetizing other people's content and nothing more. The world needs a co-op video sharing app and a microblogging app.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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In all the unpickable designs so far, various (potential) attacks are enabled by the ability to manipulate parts connected to each pin/disc/etc using tools held in the hand. So why not make a lock where the mechanism can't be touched at all?

For example, one that is unlocked by inserting a key consisting of only a blade and no bow (handle) fully into a slot before operating a mechanism (separate from the lock mechanism) that, in order:

1. covers the slot through which the key was inserted,

2. slides one wall of the slot aside to reveal a bank of pins that then come into contact with the bitting of the key,

3. if the key is a match, enables further operation such as movement of a deadbolt.

The mechanism is then reversed to release the key, which is ejected like a floppy disk / SIM card. Since at no point are the pins exposed to air from the outside world, it becomes impossible to actively move them or probe them for information.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Probably stupid question but are keys like https://cdn.cle-serrure.fr/media/catalog/product/cache/13/im... that easy to pick ? I was under the impression that they were made this way exactly because they made the creation of tools harder (variation of widths of circles, code encoded on the small width of the key and not its big height...)

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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Interesting from a locksport perspective. ITRW, a criminal would defeat any mechanism by just drilling it out because it's like the farm with a heavy locked gate but no fences meme.

I believe lockpicking is meant to be used to gain entry undetected instead of just gaining entry. Thus you want to limit visible damage to the device.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interaction of engineering and "use" by the Lock Picking Lawyer ( https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ ) was fascinating - "use" here really meaning "exploiting". It's a problem many here are aware of, either by over-engineering things intended for use by non-engineers, or designing things to be used by customers when the designer isn't intimately familiar with the use. In this case it was sort of somewhere in between. I…

I can't be bothered to use YT anymore with all the ads. They're basically interactive, on-demand, corporate TV monetizing other people's content and nothing more. The world needs a co-op video sharing app and a microblogging app.

Having a PiHole on your network makes it tolerable. But doesn't fix their broken recommendation system.

Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interaction of engineering and "use" by the Lock Picking Lawyer ( https://youtu.be/Ecy1FBdCRbQ ) was fascinating - "use" here really meaning "exploiting". It's a problem many here are aware of, either by over-engineering things intended for use by non-engineers, or designing things to be used by customers when the designer isn't intimately familiar with the use. In this case it was sort of somewhere in between. I…

I can't be bothered to use YT anymore with all the ads. They're basically interactive, on-demand, corporate TV monetizing other people's content and nothing more. The world needs a co-op video sharing app and a microblogging app.

Firefox with uBlock Origin is effective at blocking them.
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