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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by phpisthebest »

Sunspark wrote: post #157
yamazakiwi wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend who works for a VA Hospital and they've switched as of yesterday. So we know the DOD/VA is at least switching off old IE8/IE10 Apps. The funny part is the app they use still works, you're just forced to run it in compatibility mode on Edge (Holy, I forgot this existed) but their user profiles have limited access so they can't right-click, properties, unless they have admin priv. New browser, same old…

A big reason for why this is in my opinion, is not that they don't want to get an update, it's because of corporate politics. Someone has to be the manager that goes "boss, I want to spend money and resources to update an essential service and doing so will increase security and productivity." What is heard " boss, I want to spend money". Bosses never want to spend a cent, because of the "shareholders". They also don…

That could be some of it, by my experience when it comes to IT, we have a terrible track record for explaining why the BUSINESS should want to spend the money, not why IT wants to spend the money

IT: Well IE is end of life so we need to Spend X to upgrade

That is an IT reason, not a Business Reason.

It needs to be put into a BUSINESS reason, and I admit I am terrible at that as well

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by ratww »

Bilal_io wrote: post #197
ratww wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just in case you haven’t heard: Microsoft recently announced that they won’t hold it against you if you drop support for IE11 in add-ins. Your customers might still complain, though. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-US/office/dev/add-ins/develop/...

I am sure Microsoft wouldn't have held it against you to drop support for IE back in 2010. It's always been about the customer.

Incorrect. For those add-ins, IE11 support was required until recently, and there was a real review process, and it was actually pretty good. They even reported very subtle IE11 visual bugs to us.

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Post by hulitu »

pavlov wrote: post #142

There was a time in 1998-99 when Internet Explorer 4 / 5 was actually the best browser by far. Netscape 4 was unstable and had completely botched all the fancy new features: its implementation of CSS (brand new at the time) was so bad that even font sizes didn't work right, its homegrown "layers" API for JavaScript DOM access was awful, and many web developers were wishing they could somehow get away with only suppor…

> There was a time in 1998-99 when Internet Explorer 4 / 5 was actually the best browser by far

Only as a preview for web 3. Netscape, even when crashing, was faster and more user friendly. Error messages in IE were surrealistic. Unfortunately those are today standard in todays browsers.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by iggldiggl »

layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

Curiously enough, IE is also the only one that allows properly selecting and copying CSS-generated content (i.e. both quotation marks added via "quotes:" as well as general free-form text added via "content:").

Firefox does some semi-functional hack for handling quotation marks, but gives up on "content:", while Chrome and all other Blink-based browsers don't handle that kind of text at all and just skip it entirely. (No idea about Safari, but given its shared rendering engine history with Chrome it presumably doesn't handle it, either.)

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by iggldiggl »

aquova wrote: post #125

Slightly tangential, but does this mean that Wine prefixes will no longer need to include Internet Explorer? If you ever go digging through a Wine prefix's Program Files, there are a handful of default Windows applications, including IE and Windows Media Player. I've never been really sure why my Steam library is filled with a dozen copies of IE, but I'm curious if they will still be added.

Well, there's Internet Explorer as the complete browser, but there's also the rendering engine behind it that's still needed to power the web browser controls used by all sorts of applications. If I'm understanding things right by default Wine emulates it using Gecko, but you can still install the original Microsoft DLLs for maximum compatibility.

Likewise on Windows itself, Microsoft will have to continue shipping IE's rendering engine for backwards compatibility with all those programs using the old web view control (as well as Edge's hidden IE11-mode).

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Post by hiq »

mm007emko wrote: post #176
benoketamad wrote: post #153

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And people flock to vsCode and other offerings from MS like IE never happened. People really need long term memory...

Well, VSCode is a bad example. It's open source so if Microsoft decides to ditch it, it can be community maintained until people move to something else. Or another foundation can take over or another company can fork it. Come on, VSCode is a "lightweight" IDE ("lightweight" in terms of features, not in terms of resource demands) and it's one of the better ones. I remember its first version and my first impression was…

> It's open source so if Microsoft decides to ditch it, it can be community maintained until people move to something else.

Some would suggest that it's closer to open-core: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31605975

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

ecshafer wrote: post #111
dekerta wrote: post #30

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No need. Safari fills that role for us now

Wouldn't that be Chrome? Internet Explorer had dominant market share, non-standardized features, and powerful corporate backing. Chrome has dominant market share, non-standardized features, and powerful corporate backing. Safari doesn't have the newest standards always, but mostly sticks to the standards from what I know. The major difference seems to be a lot of devs liking Chrome.

Chrome and Safari each took half of the ways that IE was terrible.

Chrome got the non-standard extensions and dominant market-share.

Safari got deliberately lagging behind standards and trying to hold back the web so that people have to build native apps.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by anthk »

psim1 wrote: post #84

IE may have been problematic from a tech point of view, but I'll eulogize that IE was important in advancing the web. The OS-integrated browser meant that in 1995, users had a full Internet stack readily available on their home PCs -- the widespread launch of Web 1.0. Later, IE was the pioneer of XMLHttpRequest, the beginning of Web 2.0. For these, we can say thanks, Microsoft! (for everything else, see other comment…

> users had a full Internet stack readily available on their home PCs

No.

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