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Apple M2 Die Shot and Architecture Analysis – Big Cost Increase and A15 Based IP

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Re: Apple M2 Die Shot and Architecture Analysis – Big Cost Increase and A15 Based IP

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I am that engineer; happy to clarify/go into more detail. First, just to ensure we're on the same page: the speeds we quote are sort goodput, i.e. amount of sorted data produced per time. Memory bus is only incidental to keeping the vector units fed. The key bottleneck is partitioning. AVX-512 does really well there because it has dedicated compressstore instructions, and it's actually even faster to partition a vect…

> (even if they can actually execute all instructions concurrently, which is not clear to me and unlikely - Intel can also only execute some instructions on certain ports) It's pretty symmetrical, moreso than Cortex-X2's 4 pipelines; there's analysis that on M1 only some floating point and crypto instructions can't execute on all 4 pipelines. [1] (TP in that table is inverse throughput) Which means that, for example,…

Thanks for the instruction table, hadn't seen that yet. That is indeed remarkably symmetrical! It does reinforce the "half of AVX-512" result - we sustain ipc=2 on Skylake (with 512-bit) and it looks like M1 would sustain 4 (x128 bit).

huh, that's surprising, that plot indeed looks like a core might be grabbing more than 'its share' of L2, though not all. The 'full random' curve starts creeping up after ~3MB as expected, so the situation seems to be even more complex than "use up to 8MB".

For completeness I'll also measure for 100M elements single core, though on M1 that wouldn't make a difference because as you say, a single core can drive a lot of memory bandwidth, enough that NEON becomes the bottleneck.

Re: Apple M2 Die Shot and Architecture Analysis – Big Cost Increase and A15 Based IP

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post #126

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The more we automate the better. Computers don't ask to keep the change.

Instead, computers will keep the change without asking and point you to an unreachable (or unhelpful) customer support number. You’ll either give up on trying to recover your change or you’ll regret not having done it sooner, after spending more of your time and sanity than the money was worth.

I doubt that. I don't tip online purchases. Do you?

Re: Apple M2 Die Shot and Architecture Analysis – Big Cost Increase and A15 Based IP

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post #98

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The more we automate the better. Computers don't ask to keep the change.

Google doesn't ask whether you agree to account suspension either.

You can get kicked out of a restaurant/hotel/casino as well

Re: Apple M2 Die Shot and Architecture Analysis – Big Cost Increase and A15 Based IP

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post #126

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Instead, computers will keep the change without asking and point you to an unreachable (or unhelpful) customer support number. You’ll either give up on trying to recover your change or you’ll regret not having done it sooner, after spending more of your time and sanity than the money was worth.

I doubt that. I don't tip online purchases. Do you?

Do you buy gas online? The thread is about asking to keep the change at a gas station. Changing it to online purchases is moving the goalposts.

Re: Apple M2 Die Shot and Architecture Analysis – Big Cost Increase and A15 Based IP

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post #98

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Google doesn't ask whether you agree to account suspension either.

You can get kicked out of a restaurant/hotel/casino as well

When you are kicked out of an establishment, more often than not they will first ask you to leave and give you an explanation. It’s in their best interest to handle the situation as calmly as possible so you don’t cause a scene and make them lose business. You have leeway to contest the decision. Even if you’re banned, it doesn’t affect your life much.

Getting kicked out of your Google account can mean losing access to all your other online accounts. That’s disruptive to your life and you might waste weeks or months dealing with a situation where you have no recourse because you can’t reason with a human.

It’s routine that people get their Google accounts banned without understanding why, and thus can’t fix it. When you’re kicked out of a physical location, you’ll know why.

Re: Apple M2 Die Shot and Architecture Analysis – Big Cost Increase and A15 Based IP

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AMD survived bulldozer. They survived not because of the quality of their chips, but because there exists a sizable x86 market that is literally anything except Intel.

Why does that market exist?

I would expect a large part of it to come from personal dislike in dealing with Intel by people in the position to pick parts and make the sourcing decisions.
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