A month into Kagi and not one fallback-search I've made on Google yielded better results.
I'm glad to finally have the option to use an essential web service without being turned into a product for advertisers. Would definitely pay more if I had to.
Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
posteo.de still has a fixed monthly fee with this model. They just limit the account if the credit is used up.
Ok so a way to top off account with a one time payment may be a good idea.
Some other pay-with-cash methods in other countries are paysafecash (like viacash), paysafecard (only anonymous if you meet strict KYC requirements), some gambling related one (whatever) and cash-by-mail.
Do note that all of them have significant fees and probably not that many users.
Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#203Hi! I am most excited for Orion browser (Mac & iPad).
Orion on my M1 Mac has effectively replaced Firefox for daily use. The battery life is incredible, and support for extensions is excellent (including uBlock Origin).
Once again battery life is much better than Firefox. It is somewhere between a 50-100% improvement over Firefox. In general, performance and latency is at least as good Safari (but better because of uBlock Origin).
Bugs and compatibility issues have been present, especially early on. They have been very rare in my daily use.
From my (informal) tests, many of these compatibility issues are problems with Safari too (just not Firefox/Chrome). In practice, it doesn't affect my daily use and I use Firefox as a backup.
On my iPad, extension support is not great (and buggy). However, the builtin adblock is about 80-90% as effective as uBlock Origin. Significantly better than anything you can pay for as a safari extension.
I have never used the search engine, but I the work on the browser (Orion) is extremely impressive, both on Mac & iOS.
Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
They aren't. It is meant for prepaid models, which is kind of a feature for me.
Oh OK. Changing model to pay per use is something we thought of but most people told us they would feel anxiety to search and preferred a fixed monthly fee. We are continuing to have an open discussion about this in Discord, our site and here on HN so lets see if we figure it out.
Prepaid doens't have to mean pay-per-use. It can mean I load up 50€ to my account and you debit 10€ per month until the account balance is less than 10€.
Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#205I've been using Kagi for about three weeks and the experience has been excellent. I think I reverted to Google maybe twice, and for many searches Kagi has been simply better. Despite all of this, 10 bucks a month is a tough sell to me. I understand the cost structure, and I am not saying that this product is not something worth paying for, because it is. It feels like the golden age of Google, and that's what I've be…
> The value you provide not only has to beat Google, but also Netflix, Bitwarden...
It's hard to compare the intrinsic value of all services that cost ~10$. Is the ability to search the whole Internet, something you do every single day multiple times, less valuable than watching Netflix shows a few hours every week? Our perceptive is seriously skewed because we've had free (paid with ads+data) web search engines for almost as long as we've had the web. On the other hand, Netflix seems incredibly cheap because for a long time before it, legal access to movies and series was expensive and hard/impossible due to strong copyright laws.
Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#206I've used kagi for a few months, it is "OK". Searching for technical information on FreeBSD it preformed well. For local things it is useless, the image search is not great, once you click on an image it goes into a slide show view which is not good. I also found it limited results a lot, like search for some pictures and it shows you 1 page of results but the same search on google or ddg you will get 4x the results.
I like the idea of kagi and I think it will get better but I will not pay more than 4$ a month for basic search functionality. I would accept being rate limited per day or restricted on the lower tier, but I cannot justify the cost they are asking for a currently subpar product.
It is also annoying to search when using private mode. Yeah there is an addon but it still is an annoyance.
Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#207I've used kagi for a few months, it is "OK". Searching for technical information on FreeBSD it preformed well. For local things it is useless, the image search is not great, once you click on an image it goes into a slide show view which is not good. I also found it limited results a lot, like search for some pictures and it shows you 1 page of results but the same search on google or ddg you will get 4x the results.…
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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#208I have no reasons to doubt privacy statements but it rubs me the wrong way that I'm identifying myself by name to use search engine that's supposed not to track me. The requirement for an account also makes ad-hoc searching on whatever device/browser/profile tricky. > You should pay for your search engine to ensure that the incentives of the information provider are aligned with what’s best for you, not what’s best f…
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Re: Kagi search and Orion browser enter public beta
#209I have no reasons to doubt privacy statements but it rubs me the wrong way that I'm identifying myself by name to use search engine that's supposed not to track me. The requirement for an account also makes ad-hoc searching on whatever device/browser/profile tricky. > You should pay for your search engine to ensure that the incentives of the information provider are aligned with what’s best for you, not what’s best f…
> DDG tends to show some search term-related ads but those seem quite harmless and aren't loaded from 3rd party sites.
Disclaimer, I work for Ecosia, but I have to agree. The one moment when I'm totally fine with seeing some ads is when I'm actually actively searching for something to buy and those ads are relevant to my query. What I don't want is my search queries in one site to stalk me around the whole web. Pretty much only disable uBlock in Ecosia and DDG.