Amazing how reaching 18 years of age suddenly makes you immune to social media addiction. Or something.
Maybe the parents should try to get more involved with their children instead of just shoving them in front of screens.
California parents could soon sue for social media addiction
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You are effectively absolving the parents of responsibility even at ages as low as 3-4(!). I'll say this: I think it's very fashionable to put no guilt on anyone ever even when it's objectively clear who's guilty. Same goes for sugar intake. Children don't have jobs, they have no money of their own. They are not going to get addicted to sugar products unless you give them the money to buy these products or you buy th…
This is bordering on the same logic as "my parents beat me and I turned out fine".
That's because it's same logic. There is nothing wrong with judicious use of corporal punishment either.
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I agree with everything you’re saying up until this point: > What's necessary is clear rules that align the behavior of companies with social ends. If they can't square making money with keeping public discourse healthy or not making teens mentally ill they need to be culled, it's that simple. I don’t think it’s that simple, or simple in the way you may imagine. It’s impossible to come up with rules that even a plura…
I think what is needed is some kind of reactive and iterative restrictions. As well as analytics. Just like how companies measure addiction as a stat to optimise, this data should become public and used as a way to measure the effectiveness of new restrictions. An idea I had is to set some kind of guideline like “users should on average spend no more than 1 hour on the platform per day” and then if the average user s…
That is a brilliant idea.
We have nutritional labels on food. We need nutritional labels for websites/apps/services. And then maybe a small popup "You've reached your daily serving of social media use. You may continue, but know that you'll be in unhealthy territory."
And then we treat "social media addiction" as an additional insurance cost factor, just like obesity. More than 2h of facebook per day => let's double your mental health premiums.
That way, we (the society) can accurately measure and allocate the damage and resulting costs caused by social media companies.
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#204"Business groups have warned that if the bill passes, social media companies would most likely cease operations for children in California rather than face the legal risk."
That might be the actual purpose of the bill. And I believe it would be a net positive for society.
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A controversial take. We should consider individuals aren't able to parent their kids effectively. Would you rather trust two exhausted individuals or a huge army of trained professionals at payroll by government to parent the kids? There is very less transfer of knowledge and the worldview of individual parents is often limited. If there is an organization parenting thousands of kids, they can run A/B tests, see res…
Exactly. Then we'll have abolished the nuclear family and the problem of generational wealth. There will be an equitable distribution of wealth and disparities along racial, sexual, and economic lines will have evaporated. Without generational wealth or inheritance, there will be no incentive to own property. All housing will be group housing provided in return for work. All transportation will be provided as a publi…
This comment seems to me a perfect example of Poe’s law.
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#206I think the angle of these laws as well as the parenting response here in the thread are both wildly off because they both take a completely individualistic approach to something that's a systemic issue. The litigation culture of having individual people sue for damage doesn't go to the root cause and is a bureaucratic and legal nightmare. Delegating something that is effectively an environmental issue to the respons…
> The litigation culture of having individual people sue for damage doesn't go to the root cause
Doesn’t it? The root issue is an externality: social media companies profit from the user engagement that addiction provides, but do not bear the cost of the addiction. Creating a private right of action (preferably with asymmetric fee award exposure) both enables and incentivizes the charging of those costs to the companies.
Admittedly, this “litigation culture” as you call it is inefficient. But I think it’s generally more effective than the alternative of having top-down regulatory intervention, where you have to contend with issues such as regulatory capture and the general ineptitude of government bureaucracies.
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Agreed. This is why the "metaverse" needs oversight as well. It will be a new frontier ripe for gamification, explication and general behavioral control.
No, every business optimizes yield. Smart businesses optimize UX for conversion. FREE with no revenue is loss. What's next? Suing vegas for the lights? You don't want to gamble? Don't go to Vegas. They already have "How much time have I spent in here?" features. You may not optimize yield because the children are compulsive addictive and it's the internet's fault. What's next? Suing the bar for allowing you to spend…
>What's next? Suing the bar for allowing you to spend time there?
Well, actually: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dram_shop
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#208What I've come to realize in recent years is there are an awful lot of people who have children who don't want to be parents. It's like they don't even like children but it seems like they're running down a Life checklist of things you should do. Or maybe they like the idea of having adult children? I really don't know. But I know so many people who don't actually like spending time with their children. I get some pe…
The irony is that many I know don't have time for their children because they are hopelessly addicted to social media themselves.
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#209If only there was a way parents could exert some sort of influence or authority over these children to prevent what they believe is harmful. We could call it “parenting”.
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This is bordering on the same logic as "my parents beat me and I turned out fine".
That's because it's same logic. There is nothing wrong with judicious use of corporal punishment either.
I strongly disagree on that. Beating your children is lazy parenting. Great way to end up with children who want nothing to do with you as soon as they're old enough to leave.