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2x scaling just works, and has been that way for a while on desktop Linux. Not sure about the state of fractional scaling.
Try it with a multi-monitor set up at different resolutions.
This guy knows what's up.
HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS
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Confusing comment. Did you miss the massive touchpad beneath the keyboard? Surely it has two-finger scrolling. I would expect three-finger middle click emulation (which kinda sucks I agree).
People who are excited about the trackpoint probably aren't interested in switching to another input method for scrolling. Personally I usually disable the touchpad ASAP on any new laptop I get.
How do you scroll then? Page Up and Page Down?
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They stuck the Pop!_OS logo right up by the HP logo at the top of the page; I would be astonished if they didn't have some sort of legal agreement to use the trademark.
Is it common to have a proprietary/trademarked logo for an otherwise entirely open source project? That seems a little silly to me but I'm not really aware of what is standard.
Linux is a trademark of the Linux Foundation (see https://www.linuxfoundation.org/the-linux-mark/), and as mentioned by others Firefox is a trademark of Mozilla. It's fairly common, and used to ensure a fork doesn't pop up and claim to be the original product.
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#204I'm not going to critique this laptop as others have done here. Just over $1K for a laptop with an 8 core Ryzen, 16GB DDR4 and a 1TB SSD isn't outrageous. The main takeaways I get from this are that HP is now getting on the Linux developer bandwagon, and that they chose Pop!_OS as their distro due to the success and reputation of System76. And I think these are both good things, and a sign that we'll see more of the…
Yeah, I didn't get the critique either.
People are like we listen to music, have a few docker instances running and we use VScode, we need 32 gb Ram or more.
Why do you need a text editor/ide which consumes so much ram? Is this the reason that apps have gotten more bloated and slow on older devices?
Idk, I'm not a programmer.
I think the price is fair enough, and if the ram isn't soldered (one would be and the other would be upgradable probably)
Had it launched a few months ago, I'd have probably picked it up. Because AFAIK, this seems to be a fairly decent laptop.
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#205It has a trackpoint with 2 buttons which tells us they did not put any serious effort into this input device. Would you use a 2 button mouse without scroll-wheel or a touchpad without 2-fingers scrolling? I suspect this low effort goes for the whole product which is a budget laptop with marketing directed at decision makers instead of users.
Astute comment.
FWIW though, that’s the trackpoint they use on other machines too. They don’t have a 3 button trackpoint like on ThinkPads.
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#206This isn’t a laptop I would personally buy for many of the reasons others have put in this thread, but it’s incredible to see such a focused SKU from HP here. This will likely be a small volume product and it is almost certainly based on something else in the HP portfolio (advantage of being such a huge OEM), but it’s nice to see a developer marketed laptop in this way. And running a distro other than straight Ubuntu…
Agreed. It's a good thing that more OEMs are supporting Linux out of the box.
It's surprising to me that OEMs don't try to make every machine they sell Linux-ready and compatible, at the very least: OEMs have tied themselves to Microsoft by neglecting Linux, and in the process been party to problems like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28639952.
If OEMs thought ahead, they could have made these changes 10 or 15 years ago, and perhaps have broken through the cost of Microsoft licenses. Instead, they've chosen what seems to be the short-sighted path.
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>Looks like Apple really has the “charge outrageously and be hailed for it” license. A new M1 Macbook Air starts at $999, and will put that Ryzen to shame. Not to mention infinitely better build quality and battery life. Apple has always been a great value for the price, even if that price is slightly higher than the bargain bin stuff.
My Ryzen puts that M1 to shame since it can run any Linux distro with full graphics acceleration natively. An M1 can't even do that yet.
Sure, but the M1 generally has a high-quality Apple screen (this laptop from HP advertises only “FHD” so - presumably 16:9 1080p and not Retina-quality 16:10…) and the Ryzen, though much less constrained than Intel still likely has a “boost clock speed” and power throttles itself when disconnected from power or due to heat. By comparison, it’s hard to call the M1 the fastest computer I’ve used - desktops are plenty fast - but it’s certainly the most consistently performing laptop chip I’ve ever used, and is entirely quiet and cool to the touch at all times.
It’s hard to compare the values of macOS and Linux because they are very different, but it’s still easy to say that an M1 has excellent uses on macOS and everyone interested in non-Apple machines is (to some degree) waiting to see what Qualcomm or Nvidia can come up with in the ARM chipset space for non-macOS laptops… I think ChromeOS laptops prove that iPad-like performance is possible, but so far only the Apple M1 has shown that traditional x64-like performance is possible on laptop/desktop from ARM chips.
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#20816G is not much RAM for a developer laptop. Do they understand what developers do these days? ie: running entire prod infrastructure using kubernetes or docker-compose on their dev setup is increasingly common.
Always amazed hearing how other people work... I want my laptop to be portable, have a nice screen, long lasting battery and run cool and silent. There are way better machines to run an "entire prod infrastructure" and you can easily reach them with ssh.
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I feel like a lot of developers overestimate the hardware specs that they need. My main development machine is a simple Ryzen 3 with 8GB RAM, and I run two electron apps (VS Code and Slack) at all times. A comment in a separate thread here mentioned virtualization. That and gaming would be two legitimate use cases, but for plain-jane development, "8gb ought to be enough for anybody" (har har)
Machine learning will generally swallow as much RAM as you can throw at it, assuming you're not just using a nvidia coprocessor with its own memory (and even in that case, you have to keep it fed).
Does it really make sense to do serious ML in a laptop though? my ML/DL training rig runs pretty hot all the time, I could use it as a space heater in the winter. Even if I could have all its processing power in a notebook I definitely wouldn't want it on my lap.
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Every 16 GB machine I've used for work in the last three years (until current 32 GB one) I'd occasionally run out of memory. Culprit? Web browsers... On Mac, Linux, and Windows. (Though occasionally other stuff needed significant memory too.)
This only happens if you’re the type to keep 70 tabs (or whatever) open. I run 16GB and have never, ever had a browser cause me to start heavily paging.
>This only happens if you’re the type to keep 70 tabs (or whatever) open.
not really, you can just leave a leaky or script-laden page open for awhile to see the same behavior, depending on how things are put together.
example: blue iris is a cctv package that has a webui module. That web-ui client-side browser tab will inflate to system-memory size if allowed within a few days.
Not much of a point other than there are other (probably pretty esoteric) things that one can do to a browser that'll make them fall apart even on modern hardware.