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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Business class Dells and HPs have one too. Named differently because TM but good enough.

I would challenge you to find a 2022 Dell or HP with a trackpoint.

The HP EliteBook laptops still have trackpads. For example this one: https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-elitebook-850-g8-notebo...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I think it goes something like this: - no Management Engine - chips that don't turbo boost themselves into throttling - not supporting a company with a toxic approach to business I believe AMD outperforms Intel when you're targeting mobile performance/battery life, rather than "moar CPU" workloads. Though that might change now that Intel is using their own approach to performance cores. Still, given the last decade o…

> no Management Engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_PSP

The PSP is a lot slimmer than Intel ME. It also doesn't randomly yank traffic for specific ports from your Ethernet.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Alder Lake is still not fully supported by Linux (improvements are coming with v5.18¹, which is not stable yet, and it will take a while to be released into several linux distros (at least the Ubuntu based)). It's a shame, because it would have been a great moment to offer an AMD alternative. ¹= https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/intel-thread-director-c...

Think most distros have backported the Alder Lake patches to their kernels.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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What are the main reasons for not shipping to other EU / EEA countries?

Laptops are uniquely challenging in that each additional country has its own keyboard language, increasing the number of SKUs we need to manage and hold inventory for. This is beyond the normal challenges of entering new markets. We enumerated this in a blog post here: https://frame.work/blog/scaling-up-infrastructure We are continuing to build the infrastructure and keyboards to expand into more countries though!

There are probably many potential users who wouldn't care, I've lived in Norway my whole life but my keyboards have been exclusively with an English layout for more than ten years now. If the thing holding you back from expanding to, among others, Norway is the lack of a nb-NO keyboard, please reconsider :)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Yep, same here. And with increasing urgency as Thinkpad quality control seems to have fallen off a cliff. Framework seems uniquely positioned to fix this though. Someone just needs to do a compatible top cover that takes Thinkpad keyboards. I'd take a stupid one without touchpad at all as I just disable it anyway. That shouldn't be too hard, it's mostly getting the plastic right and adapting the connector to the motherboard.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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post #176

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Business class Dells and HPs have one too. Named differently because TM but good enough.

I would challenge you to find a 2022 Dell or HP with a trackpoint.

Although technically released in late 2021, the HP Elitebook 855 G8 has a trackpoint.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?

Because at the moment AMD is the least scummy of the two x86 chip manufacturers. Intel as the only feasible player in town for a good segment of time, asked premium prices for meager performance increases, generation by generation. Mainly is just out of principle and voting with my wallet.

Exactly. If we're going to be told to vote with our wallets all the time, you better let me vote with my wallet.

I bought an ASUS ZenBook earlier this year because as much as I like Framework's product, I don't want to give Intel another dollar after they bent me over a barrel for a decade.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I hope that if Framework continues to be successful they can start dictating more changes to the manufacturers of the components to make the components easier to integrate into the laptop design. For example, a standard size for Mobos so that makes it easier to integrate AMD/Intel processors

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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> Any news on plans for AMD models? This is the only thing stopping me from getting a Framework laptop right now. I'd pay a premium for it as well.

Why is AMD so important to you? Are there any instruction set extensions these days that are only available on AMD? I can only think of things that are the other way around - only on Intel. And if you need something niche like some SIMD extension I guess you're running a server not a laptop?

Voting with my wallet. Intel bent everyone over a barrel for a decade and I don't want to give them another dollar if I can avoid it.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

What are the constraints that are blocking wider EU availability? Right now, in Europe it's only available in a handful of countries (5 of 27). I'm in Spain, and I see I can spec a perfect machine and get it delivered just over the border in France, but I can't get the same thing delivered here just a couple of hours away, which is very surprising! My understanding was the single market & customs union etc should mak…

The problem is (my guess) Logistics is hard.

Amazon might make it look easy but it really isn't (and Amazon is not available in all EU countries either!).

Logistics is more then just shipping, but also returns, repairs, availability, shipping time, shipping costs, where and how to keep stock. And this points affect each other, i.e. they might not have enough supply to sell to the whole EU market etc.

Lastly while there is a free marked in the EU if I remember correctly there are still some differences when importing things from outside into the EU depending on the country of entry. Like how to fill forms and which companies you can work with (for what prices) in given country.

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