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Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by ishjoh »

pupppet wrote: post #10
stefanos82 wrote: post #5

WordPress will continue losing market share for the simplest reason: people fed up with the coercion of Full-Site Editing (FSE) by Automattic. Community's reaction via comments' section [1] for Gutenberg plugin was a clear indication that people will eventually go away, had they not revoke their decision. They haven't which led to the fork [2] of WordPress thus dividing the community, at least for a while. Had they l…

I used to tell people WP is a solid base to build your website if you know what you're doing, but with Gutenberg and not knowing how much longer the Classic Editor plugin will be supported I keep my WP praise to myself.

4 years ago my team built out a new CMS website for a large media company that had many different sub brands and multiple language requirements. We did a lengthy comparison against a big range or CMS solutions, we found Django CMS https://www.django-cms.org/en/ fulfilled all our requirements the best.

After having used it for years I can say it's an excellent product. Easy to setup, easy to learn (any Django dev can pick it up almost instantly), secure, has LTS versions. It's just an excellent CMS. It's the first product I reach for now when needing a CMS system.

I am not affiliated with Django CMS in any way, I just really love their product.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by corrral »

yen223 wrote: post #106
austinl wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was previously a PM at a company where I got to interview a lot of content creators on various platforms (YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, etc). Specifically creators with large enough followings where it was their sole source of income (typically $1K-$10K per month). I was initially shocked by how few of them had personal websites, but they're able to get by with the tools that the platform provides them. They didn't s…

I look at some of the channels I've subscribed to on YouTube - I have absolutely no idea if any of them have a personal website, since I have never had a reason to check. I don't think I'm alone in this regard.

I only stopped checking the websites of a couple YouTube channels I follow, because they stopped updating them reliably. I preferred that to checking on YouTube, because sometimes it takes me a bit to find a simple chronological list of videos from a channel, while the sites were just that, right on the front page.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by stefanos82 »

sofixa wrote: post #200
stefanos82 wrote: post #190

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You do realize that this whole concept is an overkill, don't you? Just think about it: you need to have installed PHP, MySQL / MariaDB, and a plugin to generate static content, whereas with a SSG that exists you go straight to the phase of generating your content. Personally I plan to use Hugo for tiny to small websites that get updated once in a blue moon and for more complicated websites, I have many options to cho…

Of course it's overkill, but i prefer that than to "force" marketing and adjacent people to learn Markdown and maybe even HTML/CSS ( at least the basics). My own website is built with Hugo, but based on my experience building WordPress websites and helping friends "using" them with basic HTML/CSS tips i wouldn't recommend that for everyone.

You don't have to force anyone.

For instance, an example would be https://github.com/julianoappelklein/hokus which is a CMS front-end for Hugo.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by yurishimo »

levesque wrote: post #189
rexf wrote: post #75

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For years now, I've seen many restaurants rely on an Instagram account instead of an actual website. It's definitely easier for them to create an IG account than to pay someone (or a service) for a website. Also, posting to IG lets them market to their audience (instead of posting it to a website that presumably fewer people visit). Shame since I often want to view their menu, and IG is really aggressive about not sh…

So it sounds like the restaurants are overestimating how well an instagram account responds to their needs. Maybe they do need to invest in a more traditional web page after all. I'll happily disregard any restaurant that forces me to log on whatever platform to view their menu.

But by catering to the Instagram crowd, they drive more engagement from the people on that platform. Maybe they are leaving money on the table, but if they are happy with the current performance, then that is their decision.

Note: I also loathe Instagram menus

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by sofixa »

stefanos82 wrote: post #203
sofixa wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it's overkill, but i prefer that than to "force" marketing and adjacent people to learn Markdown and maybe even HTML/CSS ( at least the basics). My own website is built with Hugo, but based on my experience building WordPress websites and helping friends "using" them with basic HTML/CSS tips i wouldn't recommend that for everyone.

You don't have to force anyone. For instance, an example would be https://github.com/julianoappelklein/hokus which is a CMS front-end for Hugo.

Looks very cool, but is simultaneously in alpha and abandoned ( last commit 2020), so not really an option.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by ivanmontillam »

Robotbeat wrote: post #175
ivanmontillam wrote: post #41

I agree with the article author. Their Full Site Editing move became a lagging factor on their adoption. Specially when they complicated it further by marrying with React as their front-end counterpart. I consider WordPress a legacy codebase, because they seem to be unable to drop PHP 5.6 support. Anything that doesn't conform to that standard when submitting a new plugin to their repository, gets rejected immediatel…

Is it a good idea to drop PHP support? PHP is very powerful and for all the hate, has a relatively gentle learning curve. Or maybe I misunderstand what you’re saying.

It's a good idea to drop PHP 5.6 support.

From what I understand PHP 7.x onwards is awesome. I've not experienced that myself as I moved to Python 3.x long before PHP 7.x came out, but I trust the word of my friends.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by crate_barre »

goldcd wrote: post #23

I think the "private website" space is shrinking - despite what adverts for Wix and Squarespace might infer. The consumer/blog space of geocities, tripod and the like went to social media. Then we went through a period of "businesses putting up 10 pages for a fixed price" through first of all "a local web guy" then by themselves using Wix/WP/SS etc. I've just had a bathroom fitted by a guy who functions purely on Ins…

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Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by partiallypro »

Gigachad wrote: post #92
partiallypro wrote: post #6

Wix and Squarespace are imo infinitely harder to make look good/maintain than Wordpress (at least without Gutenburg). Just some basic tasks are needlessly difficult or impossible. I still think Wordpress is the go-to easy to build/maintain CMS. IMO, I think Automattic introduced Gutenberg way too soon to Core and introduced it as very half baked. Still to this day it's very half baked to an incredible degree, some pa…

The problem with Wordpress isn't the ease of use, its the constant maintenance required. If you are a local restaurant, you don't need an extremely powerful and flexible framework. You need something that is always online, doesn't get hacked, doesn't have its certificates expire, doesn't run out of disk space because of a log file, doesn't get stuck on a 5 year old debian, etc. If you have to pay a little more to hav…

Wordpress doesn't actually require that much maintenance at all, I feel like this is a myth or because people have only dealt with very old Wordpress builds. Wordpress now has automatic updates built into it, and large agencies or companies automate updates otherwise.

I don't understand your certs expiring, etc comment. That is because of your host if anything, and even the worst host now offer with Cloudflare or Let's Encrypt.

I've never heard of Wordpress eating up disk space due to a log file, sounds fairly made up tbh. I've had a log file eat up disk space from a poorly built custom CMS though, because it presented so many errors in the Apache logs. Hosts now maintain and update the Linux/Windows distros fairly regularly, and even when I ran dev/web ops you could automate this type of thing easily.

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by agumonkey »

aliswe wrote: post #158
agumonkey wrote: post #129

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I wonder how the code looks like. Back in pre PHP5 days, it was surprisingly painful to read their docs (globals and side effects) and plugins source was just shocking. Angry 17yo levels of dirt loc (and that's insulting to 17yo)

the source code is the worst part of it all.

Surprisingly pentesters i work with say the core is not too bad

Re: WordPress’ market share is shrinking

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Post by ulisesrmzroche »

levesque wrote: post #189
rexf wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For years now, I've seen many restaurants rely on an Instagram account instead of an actual website. It's definitely easier for them to create an IG account than to pay someone (or a service) for a website. Also, posting to IG lets them market to their audience (instead of posting it to a website that presumably fewer people visit). Shame since I often want to view their menu, and IG is really aggressive about not sh…

So it sounds like the restaurants are overestimating how well an instagram account responds to their needs. Maybe they do need to invest in a more traditional web page after all. I'll happily disregard any restaurant that forces me to log on whatever platform to view their menu.

You're kinda doing a little logical fallacy there too.
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