Please stop disabling zoom

Post by astockwell » Thu, May 05, 2022, 4:45 PM UTC

zionic wrote: post #108

amluto wrote: post #2

It’s not just accessibility. I’ve last track of the number of times I’ve seen a mobile website with a table that extends past the right side of the viewport and zoom disabled. You can’t scroll, and you can’t zoom, so you can’t read the table.

Maybe this is a good place to ask since there's a lot of web devs here: What is SO effing hard about drawing within the screen on web?! I can't tell you the number of times I've seen this issue. Just the other day I saw reddit's sign up form is totally broken on iOS, you have to swap between landscape/portrait multiple times and hope whatever garbage layout engine it uses redraws the button inside the screen.

Post by WalterBright » Thu, May 05, 2022, 4:47 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #13

amluto wrote: post #2

It’s not just accessibility. I’ve last track of the number of times I’ve seen a mobile website with a table that extends past the right side of the viewport and zoom disabled. You can’t scroll, and you can’t zoom, so you can’t read the table.

Unfortunately people see accessibility as a burden that a small minority puts on the rest of us, but really it is something that benefits everyone. For instance, normally sighted people or even people with "normal" nearsightedness, farsightedness, or presbyopia benefit from adequate contrast. Text "size" is another thing because people should be able to control it, particularly given the wide range of different devic…

Post by freebreakfast » Thu, May 05, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

kijin wrote: post #154

_fat_santa wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all major template for JS frameworks these days include that line. And there are tons of guides that specify adding that in. I get why it's there, if you're building a PWA that is supposed to mimick a mobile app, you have to enable that to override some annoying mobile browser behaviors like zooming on an input. The problem is that the above scenario is about the only time you would want to set the viewport in…

> override some annoying mobile browser behaviors like zooming on an input. Yep, I've seen some people disable zoom in their webpages specifically to prevent Safari from auto-zooming all over the place as the user moves from this to that input. It gets really annoying if you have anything but the simplest form. And what webpage doesn't have at least one form on it, even just the search box? I fully agree with OP that…

Post by hedora » Thu, May 05, 2022, 4:49 PM UTC

jnovek wrote: post #146

Johnny555 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal isn't to help the readers though, it's to convince web developers to fix their websites. It seems like that battle is already lost, this isn't some default setting that they are just accepting, web developers are doing it because they think they have a good reason, some random blog post isn't going to change their minds.

For those of us with disabilities, this is every situation of our lives all the time. The disadvantage of being disabled doesn’t come from the way that disability limits us as much as it comes from the countless ways it makes all the normal things people do slightly harder. Advocates fight to change these things not because it’s easy to do but because eliminating at least some of the hurdles in life makes our overall…

Post by krapp » Thu, May 05, 2022, 4:50 PM UTC

efitz wrote: post #199

If we want a free and open internet, why is the current web designed to let server owners control our experience? This leads to accessibility fails like the inability for visually challenged people to control font size or contrast, but also leads to lots of other bad effects, like the fact that my browser gets more and more bloated every year and essentially has become a tool to let other people run programs (javascr…