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I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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post #193

Quick question for HN people: Is there a instrument like a I bond that doesnt have a 10k limit?

Yes. There are TIPS, which are like I-bonds in that their yield is indexed to inflation, but unlike I-bonds in that you can't buy them at an artificially low price.

Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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post #193

Quick question for HN people: Is there a instrument like a I bond that doesnt have a 10k limit?

Yes. There are TIPS, which are like I-bonds in that their yield is indexed to inflation, but unlike I-bonds in that you can't buy them at an artificially low price.

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Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really golden. It' just i-bond inflation rates are high at the moment. The bond rates are set per 6 month window - but you get it relative to the purchase date. So if you buy before the last possible day before the rate change date you would get 7.12% (annualized) for 6 months then 9.6% (annualized) for 6 months. If you buy after the rate change, you would get 9.6% (annualized) followed by some yet to be det…

So the undetermined inflation rate for November 2022 has to go down to less than 7.12% (annualized) for that (the April case) to be a real "golden" opportunity? How likely is that?

Yes. I don't think anyone knows for sure - like 7.12% seemed amazing at the time but we didn't expect an oil shock or a war in europe.

Bear in mind there are some other technicalities with i-bonds. They are all documented on the treasury direct website:

- you have to hold it for a minimum of 12 months

- there are two parts of the bond a fixed rate (currently 0%) which is set for the lifetime of the bond, and the variable rate which is tried to inflation

- if you hold it for less than 5 years when you withdraw there will be a 3mo interest penalty

- you're limited to 10k purchased per SSN, you can get over 10k if you get your tax refund in i-bonds.

Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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Judging by screenshots in the article, I don't think that UI is as bad as described. Actually, it is better than UI of private commercial financial institutions. It uses black letters on a white background, links are properly underlined, no annoying notifications from CEO, no full screen popups, no timers making you hurry, no attempts to upsell something unnecessary, no asking to subscribe for a newsletter, no deceiving descriptions that mention only good sides and conceal the risks.

Regarding virtual keyboard, of course it would be better to use physical keys, but for reasons I don't understand they don't have a wide adoption that they deserve.

Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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post #13

I'm missing the logic of the second 10k. He had already exceeded the limit. Why did he think that doing it again would change the outcome? It looks to me like he was going to get the extra $25 returned to him and have 10k in bonds. It's definitely vague though.

They thought they exceeded the limit by trying to send $10000+$25, so given that the $10000 was coming back, they expected that they're again $9975 under the limit.

I can see the logic.

Is there no way to purchase these bonds besides this website?

Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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I-Bonds have rules. For example, you have to hold the bond for five years or you must pay back three months interest. I expect in about 12 months there will be a horde of people upset when they find that out.

Nine months at 9% still better than twelve at 0.1%

Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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post #158
post #32

The venn diagram of internet users that read about super specific financial products, decide to buy them, while not even understanding the need to keep an emergency fund such that a move like this leaves them with under $200 in their account seems to be growing. It seems to be a weird mix of wall street cosplay and financial ineptitude.

This move was calculated though. With incoming pay he knew that he'd be fine regardless. Sure, another emergency before the payback might suck but likely not catastrophic given the $10k coming back in a few weeks.

Oh, I didn't realize he had worked it out so that he could still cover bills, etc. I just caught the ~$300 in the savings account and didnt see the timeline on paychecks and bills.

Re: I accidentally loaned all my money to the US government

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an odd interpretation of the refund. The email clearly states, > "A refund of the excess purchase..." So they'd be refunded the excess, i.e. $25. Putting another $9,975 through just feels like being "too smart".

It’s bad English. The unambiguous terminology would be simply “excess” or “excess part of the purchase”. The term “excess purchase” sounds like the entire purchase is excess i.e. the adjective “excess” is modifying the noun “purchase” [the purchase was excess]. But they intended it as a noun adjunct where the noun “purchase” is modifying the noun “excess” [the excess was a purchase]. But this parse is not at all pref…

They could purchase up to $10k in bonds. They exceeded that by $25 dollars. Each dollar or penny or half-penny is a separate portion of a bond in my mind, although I don't know how that works legally. So the excess purchase would be the $25 he was in excess of the maximum purchase. Just the way I interpreted it, but by no means the legal or actual way it's handled.
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