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Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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I don't put much faith in things Turley writes. He went off the deep end a long time ago and went into crazy town. Marc Elias has, correctly IMO, labeled him as "the pillow guy, but with tenure."

> He went off the deep end a long time ago and went into crazy town. Stop saying this about journalists who you used to agree with, but now disagree with.

Turley isn't a journalist. He's a law professor. It's an opinion piece.

And I never said I agreed with him in the past. Just commenting on how he changed over time.

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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I don't put much faith in things Turley writes. He went off the deep end a long time ago and went into crazy town. Marc Elias has, correctly IMO, labeled him as "the pillow guy, but with tenure."

Why would you place stock in anything Marc Elias has to say? He is, at the very least, a partisan ideologue. And he’s certainly not a journalist unlike “the pillow guy, but with tenure”.

Turley isn't a journalist either. The link is to an opinion piece. I'm commenting on someone's opinion which, IMO, is rather suspect.

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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post #163

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This is a misleading and, frankly, rather disgusting analogy. The sovereignty of an individual, especially over one’s own body, and the sovereignty of a nation are not even near equivalents. And yes, I know that at this time the sovereignty of individual Ukrainians, men and women, is being horribly violated. But this did not need to happen even if the sovereignty of the nation itself was violated. It’s a separate mat…

Rape can be defensive in the rapist’s mind. “My wife smiled at someone else. I need to defend my property and teach her a lesson.” And this is the same kind of twisted logic that drives the Russian invasion.

That seems more retributive than defensive. It’s only construed as defensive when the attacker is forced to justify themselves, to themselves and others, to avoid shame and guilt. Consider the cliche of “defending one’s honor”. This phrase assumes the rightfulness of the aggressor’s actions. It begs the question.

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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Frances Haugen, the supposed Facebook whistleblower, slipped up in her 60 minutes interview and revealed that she works for US intelligence. The effort she was employed to advance is acceptance of more censorship of Meta and the like. Conspicuously absent from the publicly promoted discussion was any mention of the free alternatives such as the fediverse. 'The Social Dilemma' movie had similar objectives and narrativ…

that story was such a big deal half a year ago to vanishing completely from people's attention

It left something in their memories that we need to fix Facebook with more censorship. Now the reason is to protect us from Russian misinformation.

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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> You see this at the huge backlash you get, even here among relatively educated and informed commenters, when you dare to suggest that the US bears some responsibility for Ukraine's predicament even though Russia is of course wholly responsible for an unjustifiable invasion. Only 1 country is killing Ukrainians: Russia. There's no US troops massacring and raping Ukrainians... The only thing the US is responsible for…

The lines are clearer than ever for the 21st century. This century has been kicked off with the world struggle between democracy and totalitarianism. People have a choice. Choose the US/Europe/Japan/South Korea/Taiwan, or, the mideast/Russia/China. Many people voted with their feet, migrating to the former nations. Those people have no room to speak as they already voted. I'm missing some players of course, but gener…

They don’t cower to Putin. He’s quite popular. Russians have loved tsars for centuries. There was an infection point in the 80s and 90s where they could’ve stepped lately into a modern democratic form of government and did not. It does not seem to be the Russian way.

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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post #163

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This is a misleading and, frankly, rather disgusting analogy. The sovereignty of an individual, especially over one’s own body, and the sovereignty of a nation are not even near equivalents. And yes, I know that at this time the sovereignty of individual Ukrainians, men and women, is being horribly violated. But this did not need to happen even if the sovereignty of the nation itself was violated. It’s a separate mat…

Sovereignty of a nation is built on the sovereign individuals. Only a free man can build a free nation. It bubbles up, rather than comes from top down. I'm an "actions, not words" type of guy. Putin claims many things in this world, they're threatened etc. We all know it's a lie. You must watch Russia's actions, not their words. How many times have we learned this? Watch what they've done, not what they say. You're r…

> Sovereignty of a nation is built on the sovereign individuals.

This is just wrong. Sovereignty is a term for having ultimate authority. This can be had by any kind of government as long as it is the ultimate authority over what it claims to govern. This can include a dictatorship even if it might not recognize the authority of the individual over their own body.

Whether or not other countries recognize another country’s sovereignty is another matter. As in the case at hand, Russia clearly does not recognize Ukraine’s and so it violates it. This qualifies as rape according to one of many definitions for the term. And that’s an accurate and appropriate labeling.

But, and this is my point, it doesn’t make your particular analogy accurate or fair. You are equating the rape of a nation with that of an individual. In particular, you are using the typical cliched scenario of the attacker being drawn in by the victim’s dress, which is usually used to suggest the perpetrator could not control themselves due to the supposed unspoken solicitation and temptation of the victim’s dress. This is not at all like Russia and Ukraine. This is not defensive, or even attempting to claim so. It’s just claiming powerlessness, a lack of agency. And Russia is doing nothing of that sort. It’s doing quite the opposite.

You even end your comment with:

> I hope no women in your family are raped by men with logic similar to your own, because you'll be blaming them.

You are suggesting that the two situations are so similar that the target of your comment wouldn’t be able to differentiate between them either.

Strange. A rape victim has a traumatic personal experience that the abstract entity we call a nation could never have, being that it doesn’t have a personal experience at all. The difference would undoubtably be quite apparent to loved ones.

And while the citizens of the nation would likely be wildly upset, unless their own individual sovereignty was also violated they would surely not have the same experience as that of a rape victim. This would be self evident just by asking any person whether they’d rather their own nation or their own sovereignty be violated. But we don’t need to ask, because we already know what the answer would be.

I’m going to bow out of the rest of this discussion though since I don’t even like talking about it. Fortunately I have never gone through either experience. And because of that, it doesn’t feel right for me to discuss the differences like I truly know the differences. Hopefully the same is true for you as well.

Edit, to preempt any misreading: I am not in anyway defending Russia. Their actions are despicable and Ukraine does not deserve any of it. Russia _is_ raping Ukraine, but that reality is very different from an individual’s despite the use of the same term.

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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Sometimes I wonder if these types of comments are state sponsored

I don't know how active the IRA is on HN, but there absolutely are state sponsored comments like those on the internet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency

Are we back to blaming the JDF too? Why not, right? Everyone I disagree with is a state agent

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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”that letter was still well-founded at the time” They had zero proof it was Russian disinformation. They just made that up despite indications the laptop was in fact authentic. And they did that right before a Presidential election. That doesn’t concern you? You feel that the letter was “well founded”? Founded on what? A politically convenient guess?

Without knowing what information they had at the time, I will say we now know that there was plenty of disinformation about it being manufactured and spread. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/04/hunter-biden-la... Perhaps the most concerning thing is that a group of such blatantly unscrupulous people has actual political support in the US. I feel the need to draw a parallel to Trump's refusal of military aid…

That article is a most impressive whitewash that changes nothing.

The laptop was authentic yet the intelligence community and mass media closed ranks and called it Russian disinformation without any proof. Just a suspicion (as your link claims) that “something was up”.

That is a pitiful excuse for journalism. Sure, call the content “alleged”, publish rebuttals from the Biden team, whatever.

But they didn’t do that. They said “its likely Russian disinformation so not worth discussing at all”. That not journalism that’s actively shaping the story.

Re: Former officials say big tech monopoly power is vital to national security

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It's not biased to moderate something like "vaccines cause autism". It's been legally and scientifically established as outright misinformation. The genesis of that theory was a disgraced researcher who pushed fraudulent claims with misrepresented data. The paper was retracted for "scientific misconduct". And yet now moderating false claims that have a detrimental effect on public health outcomes is seen as a "leftis…

> It's not biased to moderate something like "vaccines cause autism". Would you support this sort of unbiased moderation being expanded to telephone calls?

> telephone calls

Not the same reach. Telephone calls are ostensibly private exchanges between two willing parties. Twitter is much more akin to a "crowded theater" than a telephone call.

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