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Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by pydry »

mschuster91 wrote: post #186
nivenkos wrote: post #173

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Israel was also behind many of the efforts to smear the former opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn - https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/news/israeli-diplomat-sough... The current government is a huge ally of Israel.

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The only thing the Israeli lobby attacked him for was not being their kind of racist.

They dont even give a damn about anti semitism. They backed Orban when he put out hook nosed Jew campaign adverts because he backed Israel and they treasure their relationship with anti semitic US evangelicals.

That particular smear campaign wasnt very effective but it was remarkable in its audaciousness - just like the fantastically stupid czech spy smear.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by cyberpunk »

mschuster91 wrote: post #186
nivenkos wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel was also behind many of the efforts to smear the former opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn - https://www.middleeasteye.net/fr/news/israeli-diplomat-sough... The current government is a huge ally of Israel.

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Israel plays the anti-semitism card much too loosely to be taken seriously. The issues I have with Israel are because of the actions of its government and absolutely nothing to do with the majority religion there.

If you criticise Israel, you're an anti-semite. We're all scared of being called such, so we let them do whatever the fuck they want.

Fuck Israel; but not because of their religion.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by dragonwriter »

skobovm wrote: post #199
gorgoiler wrote: post #191

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If you can verify your vote, how do you stop threats or bribery being used to buy votes? Show me your receipt saying you voted for Big Ron and I’ll give you a fiver and/or won’t hit you in the knees with a spanner.

Big Ron can ask you to take a picture of the paper ballot as well, so regardless of mechanism you’re in a pretty sticky situation. It’s not a perfect system, but I would personally find it comforting knowing that I could verify that my vote counted and that I could independently confirm the election results Edit: haven’t read the paper in a while, but IIRC you can see that the vote counted without revealing details o…

> Big Ron can ask you to take a picture of the paper ballot as well,

You can take a picture of a marked paper ballot, trade it in for a fresh one (original is destroyed) and mark the new one differently and turn it in.

A ballot picture doesn't prove the ballot was cast and counted, a receipt that identifies the voted candidate does.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by gorgoiler »

skobovm wrote: post #199
gorgoiler wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can verify your vote, how do you stop threats or bribery being used to buy votes? Show me your receipt saying you voted for Big Ron and I’ll give you a fiver and/or won’t hit you in the knees with a spanner.

Big Ron can ask you to take a picture of the paper ballot as well, so regardless of mechanism you’re in a pretty sticky situation. It’s not a perfect system, but I would personally find it comforting knowing that I could verify that my vote counted and that I could independently confirm the election results Edit: haven’t read the paper in a while, but IIRC you can see that the vote counted without revealing details o…

Camera bans are strictly enforced in polling stations.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by raxxorraxor »

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

I'm surprised this isn't a major diplomatic incident between the UK and Israel too, since the Israeli intelligence company was supposedly "closely monitoring how their customers were using the software" or akin to that. Like, yeah, blame the UAE mostly for this but let's also have a discussion about why this was sold to anyone who would pay with no oversight at all. Western countries need to do better.

Because western countries use the same services to spy on their citizens. Even if they feigned outrage, the potential blowback could topple some people.

Besides, governments also tend not to want to be scrutinized on moral ground for trading war assets of any kind.

Why should I be enraged if government officials were put under surveillance? They made abundantly clear that they are in favor of increased monitoring. Their secret surveillance programs were laid open.

So how do you propose they should do better?

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Post by CamelRocketFish »

csmpltn wrote: post #200
CamelRocketFish wrote: post #183

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The difference is NSO control the Pegasus servers. They know who is using their tools and who is being targeted. This isn’t the same as untraced weapons.

I'm not challenging your assertion, I'm genuinely looking for backing evidence here. Do you have evidence that NSO knows who is being targeted by the tools they sell?

Of course, the most digestible form of it is on this podcast: https://open.spotify.com/episode/38RuwrVwAHNXgHLDOANtmj Sources are then linked on their site.

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by CamelRocketFish »

csmpltn wrote: post #200
CamelRocketFish wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is NSO control the Pegasus servers. They know who is using their tools and who is being targeted. This isn’t the same as untraced weapons.

I'm not challenging your assertion, I'm genuinely looking for backing evidence here. Do you have evidence that NSO knows who is being targeted by the tools they sell?

Here you go:

https://darknetdiaries.com/episode/100/

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by skobovm »

gorgoiler wrote: post #204
skobovm wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big Ron can ask you to take a picture of the paper ballot as well, so regardless of mechanism you’re in a pretty sticky situation. It’s not a perfect system, but I would personally find it comforting knowing that I could verify that my vote counted and that I could independently confirm the election results Edit: haven’t read the paper in a while, but IIRC you can see that the vote counted without revealing details o…

Camera bans are strictly enforced in polling stations.

You go into a private booth with a curtain where no one can see what you’re doing. If coercion is at play, I don’t think a ban is going to stop you.

That said, check the edit. This case is definitely covered, I just forgot

Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by raxxorraxor »

mattmanser wrote: post #198
mschuster91 wrote: post #186

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When did it become a "massive" issue? It was a few isolated incidents that were handled badly. What has happened exactly please? There's been no reports of 'massive' issues. I think you might exaggerating the actual allegations. Also very suspicious that some of the biggest advocates for Palestinian rights have suddenly become anti-Semites seemingly overnight. The conversation has moved from Israel's utterly disgusti…

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Re: UK Government Officials Infected with Pegasus

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Post by arlort »

IshKebab wrote: post #185
arlort wrote: post #160

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That's only viable in countries/situations where secret ballots are not a strict requirement and vote buying is not perceived to be a problem With paper ballots if you want to be sure that your vote was counted correctly you generally can go and see the counting process, as a bonus like that you help ensure that every vote is counted correctly

No, you could do it in a way where the voter can verify their vote was recorded correctly but can't prove it to anyone else. Trivial method: require the voter to assign random numbers to each candidate. They remember the number of the candidate they chose. The voting system later says "you voted for 6".

And how do you avoid a scenario in which you assign 6 to candidate X but the machine secretly assigns 6 to candidate Y?
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