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Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by sevensor »

bob1029 wrote: post #90
pm90 wrote: post #81

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If you wrote about your experience, I (at least) would certainly read it.

Honestly, the overall experience wasn't that bad. I did get a lot out of those 3 years. To put things into perspective, not many people ever get to set foot inside of a leading-edge fab. I've been inside multiple , both in America & Korea. I've been able to sit in meetings with engineers across the entire spectrum and participate in multi-national system upgrade efforts. The best way to describe the whole experience…

I too worked at SAS early in my career, for about half a decade. It was a wild time; I learned a lot, rubbed shoulders with some incredibly bright people, got to visit the Kiheung fabs. I'm not at all surprised by the story, however, especially the scapegoating and fingerpointing when things go badly. The two things that ultimately made me leave were (1) there was no path to become an advanced IC, it was pretty well accepted that you'd burn out or go into management, and if you didn't you'd eventually get laid off and (2) being constantly told that American engineers were "not diligent" and that my 60+ hours per week, 24/7/365 pager carry, and mandatory weekend coverage, were not adequate. When your co-workers joke about taking PTO to leave early at 18:00, it's not a joke.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by monocasa »

throwaway201025 wrote: post #169
xadhominemx wrote: post #162

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This is a rule in many manufacturing environments. Intel has had the same exact rule for a very long time.

Does Intel also enforce such a rule to office workers, like Samsung does? I can partly understand the desire to control accidents in manufacturing environments, but we're not exactly at such a place. Samsung's rule is applied to all workers regardless of campus, including the inside of a building consisting of mostly software engineers and office workers. It almost feels like the company wants social equality among e…

Intel's rule was against corporate espionage, so probably? They eventually allowed phones with the cameras drilled out.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by albrewer »

aitchnyu wrote: post #181
ornornor wrote: post #132

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I’ve worked at a company Samsung ended up buying. Exactly as you describe: humiliating, alienating, and infantilizing. Never ever again. And I won’t buy Samsung anything if I can help it because I saw how the software is made… it’s appalling in quality. No thanks.

After giving up on Nokia and friends complaining about Moto and Pixel, its brothers in stock Android, I switched to Samsung and felt it was a massive improvement. If I'm refusing to buy Chinese brands and iPhone and stuck to models available in India, what are my choices?

I've not really had issues with the Pixel. This is anecdata, but I've had the 2 and currently have the 4a. My wife has the 5. We've had zero issues with them (except for stuff we did ourselves, like cracking the screens) over the past 4-ish years.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by oriolid »

albrewer wrote: post #203
aitchnyu wrote: post #181

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After giving up on Nokia and friends complaining about Moto and Pixel, its brothers in stock Android, I switched to Samsung and felt it was a massive improvement. If I'm refusing to buy Chinese brands and iPhone and stuck to models available in India, what are my choices?

I've not really had issues with the Pixel. This is anecdata, but I've had the 2 and currently have the 4a. My wife has the 5. We've had zero issues with them (except for stuff we did ourselves, like cracking the screens) over the past 4-ish years.

I had the 1. The battery died after 2 years but it had already stopped receiving Android updates at that point. The 4a has been good so far but around here the 4a and 5a had really poor availability.

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Post by moistly »

BlueMatter5 wrote: post #196
moistly wrote: post #194

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Tell me you know nothing of colonization without telling me you know nothing about colonization. Massive massacres of unarmed people across the entire expanse of the empire, raping of children ‘round the world, deliberately slow torture as punishment before death, the whole gamut of sick and depraved actions, every bit as cruel and barbaric as anything you can claim against the aborigine, carried out by your “rescuin…

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Shitheel.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

nebula8804 wrote: post #195
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #147

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That executive's name was Jonathan Ive, and he should have owned his mistake.

They pushed him out(unofficially from what I heard)...the guy behind the iMac, iPod, iPhone and many other iconic devices. I'd gather that he has been forced to own the mistake.

Owning something and being forced to own it are not the same thing.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by albrewer »

oriolid wrote: post #204
albrewer wrote: post #203

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I've not really had issues with the Pixel. This is anecdata, but I've had the 2 and currently have the 4a. My wife has the 5. We've had zero issues with them (except for stuff we did ourselves, like cracking the screens) over the past 4-ish years.

I had the 1. The battery died after 2 years but it had already stopped receiving Android updates at that point. The 4a has been good so far but around here the 4a and 5a had really poor availability.

Yeah I guess I should have added in the caveat that I've never owned a phone in 15 years that has lasted more than 2 years due to some kind of mishap. Usually a broken screen or water damage.

On a side note, My favorite phone I've ever had was an LG Envy 3. It was about the size of the palm of my hand and, closed, had a 1.25" screen and a standard 9-key keypad. It could also flip open to reveal a full qwerty keyboard and a 3" screen with some respectable stereo speakers.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by alduin32 »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #152
klibertp wrote: post #144

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Very off-topic, but it's one of the most shameful episodes in Western, British, and Australian history. Almost 200 years of racism, persecution, forced assimilation, kidnapping children and putting them into religious institutions, and a lot more - and it was only in 2008 that the Australian govt cared to apologize. Incredible cultures, incredible wealth of lifestyles, ideas, beliefs - almost destroyed in the name of…

Even further off topic, but you may be surprised to learn how much culture the imperial powers erased within their own countries. Take a country like France: it's hard to believe that French wasn't the majority language until almost the 20th century. Now look at it - many of the regional languages are extinct or endangered with French overwhelmingly dominant. Think that this was a peaceful and consensual process? Thi…

Yes, that's very true, thanks for making that point.

I'd like to add that it's never too late to try to preserve these cultures, traditions and languages. Getting interested to the ones of your place of residence, even if you're not from there originally, can be a great experience.

One of the best ways to do it is through singing and dancing (they go great together), and more generally, there are often chorals and various groups dedicated to these cultures, traditions and languages.

And indeed when you get into this kind of thing, you realize how much culture has been erased (in my case, the Occitan culture), but also you can see how much is left, and how important it is to preserve it.

It also helps a lot when reflecting on our own modern, imposed, culture, and realize that some of the things we think have always been there, have not.

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by caycep »

aitchnyu wrote: post #181
ornornor wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve worked at a company Samsung ended up buying. Exactly as you describe: humiliating, alienating, and infantilizing. Never ever again. And I won’t buy Samsung anything if I can help it because I saw how the software is made… it’s appalling in quality. No thanks.

After giving up on Nokia and friends complaining about Moto and Pixel, its brothers in stock Android, I switched to Samsung and felt it was a massive improvement. If I'm refusing to buy Chinese brands and iPhone and stuck to models available in India, what are my choices?

Sony?

Re: Samsung Electronics cultural issues causing disasters in foundry, LSI, DRAM

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Post by xyzzy21 »

monocasa wrote: post #202
throwaway201025 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Intel also enforce such a rule to office workers, like Samsung does? I can partly understand the desire to control accidents in manufacturing environments, but we're not exactly at such a place. Samsung's rule is applied to all workers regardless of campus, including the inside of a building consisting of mostly software engineers and office workers. It almost feels like the company wants social equality among e…

Intel's rule was against corporate espionage, so probably? They eventually allowed phones with the cameras drilled out.

All Asian Fabs pretty much ban all smart phones - you have to leave them outside and/or you have to use a "dumb" phone. Laptops, USB drives, etc. are absolute verboten as a vendor or contractor and usually employees as well who have to smuggle them in to get work done. If you violate these bans as a contractor or vendor, YOUR ENTIRE COMPANY can be banned from doing business indefinitely.
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