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Exit interviews are a trap

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Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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Obviously it's not anonymous to the interviewer. Clearly in this case it was anonymous to the manager receiving the feedback. I think this is not too uncommon.

There would have to be a lot of people leaving simultaneously for it to be anything but obvious who it came from.

err:

> rolled up with non-exit feedback

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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I have no idea what the author is on about. The exit interview is often the best 30 minutes of a bad job! You can tell them what they are doing well, what they aren't doing well, praise good employees and criticize bad managers. If you are both professionals, it's a cathartic experience that supports your remaining coworkers. If they are not professional, they weren't going to give you a good reference anyway. But if…

You are taking out the human element of a bad manager wanting revenge for you bad-mouthing them. You might say 'well it's not professional to do that!', however a well motivated manager with an axe to grind can find all sorts of ways to cause trouble for you within 'the rules', which is often precisely how bad managers operate on the job. In fact, the article goes into detail on this. It's actually something of an ar…

> 'well it's not professional to do that!'

The more you need to vent at the exit interview, the more likely there will be unprofessional behavior at your expense.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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post #22

What’s the point of exit interviews really? I had an exit interview earlier this year. All the constructive criticism I had, I had already given, during my tenure. And as Jacob alludes to, there’s no point in venting in an exit interview.

> What’s the point of exit interviews really?

I always assumed it was HR's last chance to head off potential lawsuits.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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Nothing that passes through HR is anonymous. Ever.

HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, EVER. Ive been in orgs where HR was literally sleeping with head of sales, and had me fix phones with dickpics and BJ vids and etc btwn employees... uh HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. Do not confide in them, especially anything personal. Also, if you have an IOS device - log into your apple account and confirm the devices tied to it.. HR will (in many SV orgs) attempt to add a device to your apple accou…

> Also, if you have an IOS device - log into your apple account and confirm the devices tied to it.. HR will (in many SV orgs) attempt to add a device to your apple account to monitor you.

This comes off as more than just a little bit paranoid - HR can't just add devices to your iCloud account. It requires credentials and 2FA to do that for one thing, and it'd be illegal in most of the countries we're in to boot.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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I’ve had 2 exit interviews and both were good experiences. The first scheduled the exit interview 5 months after leaving my job. Clearly said that they wanted to make sure I was comfortable in my new job before asking for feedback. I think the gap of a few months is a good mechanism to get honest feedback if someone is willing to provide it (and is what I now do for exit interviews myself) Second time was with a mana…

> he showed me the list still on his office wall, with 12/15 items crossed off Wow. I want to work for that guy.

Fun fact: He left to join another company some time later, and I now work with him again.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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If you did care enough, I'm sure you could hire a lawyer to draw up a non-retaliation and non-dispargement agreement you could have the company sign, but why bother? You can't be forced into an exit interview in the US. Just accept the meeting invite, don't show up.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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post #193

I have no idea what the author is on about. The exit interview is often the best 30 minutes of a bad job! You can tell them what they are doing well, what they aren't doing well, praise good employees and criticize bad managers. If you are both professionals, it's a cathartic experience that supports your remaining coworkers. If they are not professional, they weren't going to give you a good reference anyway. But if…

> a cathartic experience If you need catharsis after leaving a job, call up your old college roommate or your parents to bellyache. Nothing you say is confidential. There's a good chance the notes will go directly to your old manager and/or manager's manager, with your name on it. Be bland and non-committal, and if you are really pressed, give the mildest criticism like "I wish the ticketing system was easier to use"…

> There's a good chance the notes will go directly to your old manager and/or manager's manager, with your name on it.

Why should I care? I say things during an exit interview I want them to know.

Re: Exit interviews are a trap

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND, EVER. Ive been in orgs where HR was literally sleeping with head of sales, and had me fix phones with dickpics and BJ vids and etc btwn employees... uh HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. Do not confide in them, especially anything personal. Also, if you have an IOS device - log into your apple account and confirm the devices tied to it.. HR will (in many SV orgs) attempt to add a device to your apple accou…

How can they add a device to your AppleID? Don’t they need your user/pass etc..?

They offer the employee a device... company will pay for it:

"But I want to only have 1 number, and want to keep my own (naive yound tech employee says)"

You can take this device and just have yuour number on it...

You login to your apple ID on that device...

They read every text...

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Do you recall when FB tried to make a phone...

THANK FUCKING GOD THAT FAILED.

uh... I was a new hire at FB when this tok place and they held a mtg and were talking about the phone, and the question was asked about what was thought of the new phone, and I misconstrued the mtg as being "open and connecting people" -- and I spoke to the product guy in the mtg, and I told him it was a POS. NOBODY liked my non-sycophantic behaviour... as I said that I had experienced it IRL with users and they all hated it...

That went over not-so-cromulently.

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FB, even internally, is the quintessential "You cant get out of your own way..." company.

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