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What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by smoldesu »

rootusrootus wrote: post #192
smoldesu wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even worse is the Mac search indexer. Ever wonder why your CPU temps are pinned at 90c in low-power mode? Open activity monitor, cmd+f for mdworker, and you found your culprit. It's insane that they enable thay be default...

I've never had spotlight hog things for more than a few hours, and only after a fresh install. It's generally well behaved. And it's very useful and fast for searching.

A few hours is a pretty long time for a CPU to be running at near-T-Junction temps. On top of that, every time I pull from a larger repo or unzip a large folder, MacOS will decide it's time for me to take a quick 2 hour break while it depletes 60% of it's battery. Instead of setting up a complicated ignorelist, I just disabled Spotlight indexing altogether.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by dpedu »

cafed00d wrote: post #190
koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> - Apple can double speak all they want about digital privacy, but their actions tell the truth. As a paying Apple customer, you’re not deemed worthy enough to even understand how your own machines work, less even to “tamper” with their working, and who knows what data is actually being shared? > - Personally, I say no thank you. I’ve been on Debian or a variant for almost 10 years now, and haven’t looked back. It’s…

You're using a different definition of "understand how the systems works". Your grandmother doesn't understand unix signals.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by hallway_monitor »

patentatt wrote: post #142
dmitrybrant wrote: post #131

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One of my first tasks after a clean install of Windows is to disable any unnecessary services, including the Search Indexer. Not only do I disable the service itself, but I also explicitly remove all folders from the "indexed locations" control panel, and explicitly disable the "Allow files to be indexed" bit on the disk itself. I've literally never needed to search my disk for a file (using the Windows search interf…

It would be acceptable if windows search worked well and was fast -- but it's not. I search for something and it still churns the file system looking for my search query. What is the point of all that indexing if it still seems to always traverse the fs for each search!? By comparison, a third party search application [1] gives me results as soon as my key lifts and doesn't excessively index (at least for me). [1] ht…

If you use Windows as a daily driver, Voidtools' Everything should be in your top 10 first apps to install (or in your install script...). I have been using it for the better part of a decade, no issues, no resource consumption, just lightning fast searching for files of all drives on your system.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by switchbak »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #197
switchbak wrote: post #195

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I think Linux to many is a hobby much like woodworking, one that can also help feed their identity. I've been there myself. I don't think you can expect deep empathy and a strong desire to simplify things down to the grandparent level if much of the reason for using the system is for geek cred and a landscape for such endless tuning/tweaking. I'd even put myself in the latter camp, I like tuning things! Certainly Lin…

I feel more like it's analogous to driving a stick shift or baking your own bread. "This is superior; everyone should be doing it!" The problem with that sentiment is that it's 100% true yet totally unrealistic (for reasons unknown -- I don't know why every grandparent out there can't learn to use the command line, from a neurological perspective), and the dissonance erupts like steam from a geyser when those people…

That's a much better analogy.

I just used an outrageously complex espresso machine to make myself some coffee. For most, that would be purely an inferior choice when compared to a drip machine. I think a lot of it depends on how much you want that last few %. I think a lot of people simply aren't interested in the investment required to get a little more out of their computers.

And as a computer guy, of course that makes no sense to me :)

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rglullis »

mlyle wrote: post #194
rglullis wrote: post #180

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> Can you explain to me what the long term gain I could expect, exactly, by foregoing a MacOS laptop? You would not be contributing to an ecosystem controlled by a single entity who is increasingly abusing their dominance to extract more rent from consumers and other developers.

> You would not be contributing to an ecosystem controlled by a single entity who is increasingly abusing their dominance to extract more rent from consumers and other developers. c.f. > > If you're going to argue about some kind of collective loss by many people making the same choice as me-- that we all lose freedom, etc-- spare me. Tragedy of the commons, etc: not enough people are going to make the choice you're…

> not enough people are going to make the choice you're posing to have any significant effect.

A billion flies can not be wrong...

I am not personally affected by what you choose to use. I could give two shits about it and go on with my day.

It's you who stands to gain or lose - along with all those that make a similar choice.

> That doesn't seem like "freedom".

You are also free to stuff yourself with sugar, drugs, play russian roulette, sleep around with any willing consenting adult.

But no, being free to do X does not mean that X is morally virtuous. And you don't get to say "spare me of your judgement" and you shouldn't be expecting any sympathy if you have to face any consequences when things blow up on your face.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by rootusrootus »

sdfjkl wrote: post #6

Open source is where you don't have to apply guesswork to find out what a suspicious looking piece of software is doing on your computer.

On the other hand, you alone are responsible for all the little pieces of software that are part of your Linux system. People running MacOS have willingly given over to Apple the guarantee that Apple-provided MacOS software is not doing anything nefarious. The assumption being that 1) there are enough people capable of detecting malicious behavior that it will get caught, and 2) Apple has a very strong vested interest in maintaining their cred as a privacy-focused company.

It is certainly a trade off, and everyone will have their own reasoning. There is no objectively correct answer.

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Post by clairity »

ziml77 wrote: post #161
klohto wrote: post #58

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Macbook Pro M1 Pro, 12.3, Siri completely disabled as most of the daemons (the ones that are possible) and I also have ~333MB across 303k files.

MBP M1, 12.2, Siri enabled (though I haven't actually used it) > du -hs ~/Library/Trial 2.6M /Users/___/Library/Trial > find ~/Library/Trial | wc -l 160

i have siri off and my numbers are 16 and 2.2M (16" intel MBP, 11.4). fwiw, all of my triald's (outgoing) connections are blocked via lulu, but i don't think that makes a difference here.

for folks with siri on and extra bloat, i'd guess they could reduce it some by turning off "Show Siri Suggestions in App" and "Learn from this App" for each app in the "Siri Suggestions & Privacy" section of siri's system prefs (for the apps they don't care about having siri integration).

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by sdfjkl »

rootusrootus wrote: post #206
sdfjkl wrote: post #6

Open source is where you don't have to apply guesswork to find out what a suspicious looking piece of software is doing on your computer.

On the other hand, you alone are responsible for all the little pieces of software that are part of your Linux system. People running MacOS have willingly given over to Apple the guarantee that Apple-provided MacOS software is not doing anything nefarious. The assumption being that 1) there are enough people capable of detecting malicious behavior that it will get caught, and 2) Apple has a very strong vested interes…

> given over to Apple the guarantee that Apple-provided MacOS software is not doing anything nefarious

That depends on your definition of nefarious.

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Post by digisign »

30367286 wrote: post #199
seanw444 wrote: post #193

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Try again. Linux Mint is fantastically simple to use, and legitimately "just works" for average-Joe uses cases. Linux, and its various distros, are an ever-evolving tech. Linux 10 years ago was so much less capable than Linux in 2022. Just because it didn't work then, definitely doesn't mean it won't work now.

On what laptops does sleep/hibernate work correctly when you close the lid, with Mint? Seriously, swear to fucking god, every time someone says “oh Linux just works”, the next comment is “oh? I tried that distro on the recommended hardware and had trouble with…” Next response is ALWAYS: “Oh yeah that’s broken but I don’t use that feature.” Usually about hibernate. As in, apparently everyone using a laptop plugged int…

My Dell Precision 55XX works fine with Ubuntu, everything is supported. For example I have two 4k monitors at HiDPI... which I've been using for over five years, despite frequent mentions on this site that it doesn't work.

Re: What is triald and why is it taking so much disk space?

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Post by teknopaul »

cafed00d wrote: post #190
koprulusector wrote: post #93

>Over the last year or so Mac users have run into problems that appear related to a background service named triald. Some report it stealing huge amounts of CPU, others associate it with various glitches, and a few have noticed gigabytes of disk space apparently being taken up by its folder at ~/Library/Trial, and in their Time Machine backups. This article explains as much as I know about this mysterious new service…

> - Apple can double speak all they want about digital privacy, but their actions tell the truth. As a paying Apple customer, you’re not deemed worthy enough to even understand how your own machines work, less even to “tamper” with their working, and who knows what data is actually being shared? > - Personally, I say no thank you. I’ve been on Debian or a variant for almost 10 years now, and haven’t looked back. It’s…

Re: "I find it so odd, Linux users overlooking the fact that people who don't tinker with computers all their life do not have the time to get Linux up & running."

Statement is a bit out of date, apart from a good PC, most Linux users don't even know they are using it.

I find it crazy people have apps running on their Macs and windows desktops that they can't even find out what it is doing, let alone how it works.

Thankfully we have a choice, each to their own.

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