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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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> this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens This is incorrect. There is no distinction in the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis. The law applies equally to Israeli Jews who wish to marry a resident of the WB/Gaza, or one of the other countries mentioned in the law.

It would be interesting to see the ration between the Arab Israelis wishing to marry an Arab from WB/Gaza and Jewish Israelis wishing to marry a Jewish from WB/Gaza. Laws make sense in a context of a society.

There is a fundamental difference between a law that prohibits a specific ethnicity from doing X, and a law that prohibits everyone from doing X, but a specific ethnicity/minority is more affected by it than others. The former is pretty much never legitimate, while the latter is often unavoidable, and I imagine exists to some extent in any country with minorities.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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If Israel was an ally they would be helping to supply weapons and armor to Ukraine. Instead they will not supply anything more than medication. The US gives Israel plenty of military $ for them to share in times of need. As a strictly emotional thought, this makes me feel Israel is a country to cozy up to the strongest nation at the time. If the US falls from grace Israel will have no problem ‘switching’ sides to Rus…

> If Israel was an ally "Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China" [1] "a 2013 National Intelligence Estimate on cyber threats “ranked Israel the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US” behind only China and Russia" [2] "Israel among the U.S.’s most threatening cyber-adversaries and as a “hostile” foreign intelligence service." [3] "Israel’s snooping upset White House because information was…

These are enlightening links. Incredible really.

How a so called ally can perform such levels of espionage and the US has a hand in paying for their own ‘downfall’. I suppose the only reason Israel gets away with it is due to the influence Israel has on politicians with AIPAC/lobbying efforts.

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If history doesn't matter why do you even consider it occupied territory?

Because it’s under military occupation. And not recognized as Israeli territory by anyone, including Israel. If the territory had been annexed and put under civilian law and everyone there had been given Israeli citizenship 60 years ago, I would indeed agree that although that was bad, it’s not worth crying over spilled milk in the present day, much like e.g. the British conquest of Quebec. But that’s not the case. I…

Quebec happened because britian and france signed a peace treaty that both sides respected. Nobody has managed to cobble together a peace treaty for the israel-palestine situation that actually got respected.

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I'm not a fan of the occupation of the West Bank, but those are not 1:1 scenarios. West Bank was occupied after Jordan initiated the offensive, not Israel, as opposed to Russia who is the aggressor. A 1:1 scenario would be if Ukraine invaded Russia and then Russia took control over Ukraine territory, which in that case i'd argue the outcry would be minimal.

As I replied to a similar comment that was deleted: this is irrelevant ancient history. What matters is that Israel is maintaining their illegal occupation even today, and even expanding it (building new settlements, etc.)

Jordan started a war and lost territory as a result. How is this abnormal?

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South Africa took a lot of flak for their apartheid. Wonder why the same doesn't happen with this apartheid in the XXI century. That's a shame.

Same reason Russia is getting flak for invading and occupying territory (including, even, from Israel!) when Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank for decades with no consequences. Western countries apply their moral principles differently to their allies.

> Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank

Did you forget the part where all Israel's neighbours attempted to invade it and ended up losing territory?

Ukraine never attacked Russia on the other hand...

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

I’m not sure but this NOT how Middle East work. At least not in Lebanon and Egypt.

Anyway this is just wrong - even is some other countries do that.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law. It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet…

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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You've mentioned "third- and fourth- wives" multiple times in this thread. Can you clarify? Israel doesn't allow polygamy, so how does that work? And do you happen to have proof that there's a conspiracy to increase the Arabic population? And even if somehow there _is_ one, isn't that something a democratic country should not care about?
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