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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by toolz » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:43 AM UTC

throw_nbvc1234 wrote: post #100

jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

Just wait until GPT3 deep-fake audio. Closely followed by Deep-fake video. And algorithms will amplify this content to the echo chambers that "want" to hear it to increase ad revenue a few percentage points. All this will enter society at a time when trust in institutions is already low; you already hear some people predicting that there may not be an election with uncontested results (in the USA) ever again. If we s…

Do we see much change with photoshop? Personally I don't recall seeing much, but a "photo" of someone in the wrong place at the wrong time is every bit as damning as a deep-fake video in many circumstances.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by airstrike » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:44 AM UTC

majormajor wrote: post #157

cabaalis wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either people have and live by principles or they don't. Part of our division is these sides you speak of, instructing their followers what to believe about individual topics.

The world is sadly more complicated than that. Often people's principles contradict each other, especially when it comes to bad actors. Consider the person with a principle of non-violence who is still willing to fight to defend their family. Are they a hypocrite?

"Defending" assumes an attacker, which is the one breaking the principle of non-violence. So no, you're not a hypocrite to defend yourself if you believe in non-violence

Said differently, the belief in non-violence can be stated as "I believe in pursuing non-violent means in absolutely every situation except for those in which another actor acts violently toward me"

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by polished85 » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:44 AM UTC

dogline wrote: post #111

xiphias2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meming about and being afraid of WW3 is critical in containing/deescalating it. WW1 happened partly because nobody was afraid of it happenning.

> WW1 happened partly because nobody was afraid of it happenning. That is an interesting take on it. It may not be wrong, but I hadn't heard that before.

There is a thought provoking book about how terrible the repercussions of WWI really were. The author claims the world was on the verge of a renaissance in technology, medicine, energy, music, trade, etc. The thought of a world war was incomprehensible at the time—no one believed it could happen. Who knows how the world would look today without WWI.

(If any one is interested in the book I will hunt it down as I don’t remember the name).

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by nradov » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:44 AM UTC

AaronFriel wrote: post #133

natsup123490 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard times and war change people. Many changes are negative: poorer, less secure, less trusting, more fearful, devastating losses. But other changes are for the better. And you don't need war to make these changes. If you make them before hard times come, you'll be better prepared for them: becoming more stoic (less emotional, less offended at everything), becoming more serious, more resourceful, more self-reliant, l…

All of the things you wrote as good things are (mostly) good things, glittering generalities that have no bearing on whether hard times are good or bad. To connect the two, you'd have to complete the scurrilous reference made that we are currently in a time of "weak men". You may or may not be aware that the "Hard times..." meme is widely used among not just stoics, but also fascist groups to suggest that the current…

Being stoic doesn't mean you lack feelings.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by DonHopkins » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:45 AM UTC

innocentoldguy wrote: post #98

kemiller wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a huge difference: in Bush v. Gore, Gore stepped aside for the good of the country, choosing to respect the institution of the courts even if the decision was dodgy. Trump is willing to burn down the institutions if it gives him an edge. The danger from the Trump narrative is not that die-hards are still grumbling, it's that the candidate doesn't seem to care about anything beyond his own interests.

That’s not how I remember it. Gore whined incessantly about “hanging chads” until he was forced to step aside by the Supreme Court.

Condolences on your memory loss. You should see a doctor.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by insickness » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:45 AM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #173

The self-serving, inconsistent, intellectually-dishonest take that some have when they can't parrot provably false nonsense that is a mere Google search away from being debunked is really obnoxious. I imagine many of these same people championed the rights of private businesses to decide who they did and didn't serve when it came to the infamous cakeshop [1] yet when Youtube or Twitter or Facebook makes exactly the s…

I imagine many of the same people who championed the rights of Youtube or Twitter or Facebook to censor whomever they want were the same people who lost their mind when it came to the infamous cakeshop. That sword cuts both ways. They would also lose their mind if the laws changed and companies could discriminate against whomever they want in hiring. But when those same companies want to censor a viewpoint, they're a private company, they can do whatever they want.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by ipaddr » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:46 AM UTC

adamredwoods wrote: post #178

Two points: 1. At what point will the information on the internet become so obfuscated that communication and "truth" is difficult to discern from "lies", if not presently today? Consider a person using the internet for the first time in order to find more information on a current event. How many sources (and what qualifies as one) does one have to traverse to weigh what one can consider to be "truthful enough"? Does…

Once you get off the mainstream internet you get more varied viewpoints. As censorship increases more people leave mainstream sources.

We are living in an era where everyone is on aol. Leaving those comforts will bring a richer experience.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by namlem » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:47 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #88

jorgesborges wrote: post #22

I’m becoming more convinced that the future I’ve been planning simply won’t be possible in the decades to come. The world is scarcely recognizable. And having experienced nothing but peace and prosperity makes me feel woefully unprepared. The WEIRD world is becoming increasingly more authoritarian. I’m already detached from real conflict and scarcity, knowing nothing but peace and prosperity, and the TikTok generatio…

I always enjoy a well crafted comment like this in which the reader can't tell if the "authoritarianism" you are decrying is the former president trying to circumvent democracy or the censorship of people who are spreading that message. It allows you to collect upvotes from people on both sides thinking you are accusing the other of authoritarianism.

Why not both? After all, this isn't a case of someone genuinely supportive of Trump's coup attempt being censored, this is an algorithm blindingly censoring journalists reporting on it. Humans not even in the loop. The rise of algorithmic censorship is the world becoming more authoritarian. It's not even a matter of individuals changing their values in this case, it's the system.

Though individuals have been changing their values as well. On the left and the right, and the center as well, there is more support for authoritarian. Part of that is due to COVID, so maybe it will fade. Hopefully it will, but we'll see I guess.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by Karunamon » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:47 AM UTC

another_story wrote: post #187

dayvid wrote: post #127

It's scary how many of the systems we were worried about in China (e.g. social credit system, censorship, etc.) are basically being created now in the west through the proxy of critical companies blocking access and/or working together.

A bit different considering the west has alternatives which are not blocked, whereas China doesn't. You can even spin up your own sources and serve whatever you want,a right not afforded the average Chinese citizen.

Given the centralization and collusion of payment providers, I don't think that holds.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by syspec » Sat, Mar 05, 2022, 1:49 AM UTC

Super liberal, don't agree with this move at all.

It's one thing to have people making false claims, but covering the former president tying of election his claim to the current Ukraine crises should not fall into that category.