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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

EtherTyper wrote: post #46
pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

Or for a more concrete example, look at how both Republicans and Democrats are treating Julian Assange. Investigative journalism and whistleblowing are under attack by all political factions and by the justice system, today. We cannot treat anti-free-press authoritarianism in the West as an "early stage" or tomorrow's problem.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-sup...

> In 2010, Assange gained unauthorized access to a government computer system of a NATO country. In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack.

> Assange conspired with Army Intelligence Analyst Chelsea Manning to crack a password hash to a classified U.S. Department of Defense computer.

If this is true then he is not a journalist.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by areyousure »

pohl wrote: post #185
throwaway5752 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The backchannels were Manafort/Kilimnik, Michael Flynn/Kislyak, and more. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-... is a digestible background. That is just the US - most European countries have analogues, as do key Asian, African, and South American countries. The are not separate phenomenon at different stages, they are a global, coordinated group. They were coordinated by the massive cash flo…

Yes, it's the same trans-national crime syndicate. It's the same war, even – it's just recently became kinetic. Amazing the ROI that Vlad got from TFG.

In case anyone is curious, it appears that ROI = "return on investment", Vlad = Vladimir Putin, and TFG = "the former guy" = Donald Trump. It appears to be the ~4th time the latter abbreviation has been used on this site.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27920739

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ajford »

cheeseomlit wrote: post #176
ajford wrote: post #85

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That's a truck-load of bullshit. Texas Gov. Abbot is pushing an anti-LGBTQ+ agenda in the open. He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse. The Texas right-leaning lege just got through passing a bill that was designed to be hard to assail in the courts that hands out money for turning in anyone who assist someone in seekin…

Chemically castrating a child is child abuse.

Puberty blocking is not chemical castration.

By your argument chemotherapy is assassination by poison and setting a broken bone is assault.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ch4s3 »

jmull wrote: post #147
ch4s3 wrote: post #27

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That's not really a good comparison. Being an asshole to journalists if really different than putting them in jail for their reporting. The difference here is that some Republicans who have no power to actually do that talk shit about doing it, but Putin actually jails a lot of journalists.

It's pretty weird this comment is downvoted to being greyed out at the moment. As if it's wrong to point out that tweeting and a 15 year jail sentence are not equivalent. I can't understand what this means... are there really Russian vote-bots here or something?

I get it to some extent. People really hate Trump, and I understand that and largely agree. I think it can be threatening to people when their identity is wrapped up in really heated partisanship to have an attack on their enemies questioned. It's only human to want to rally around something and have a hated outsider. And Trump truly is a bag of shit, he just wasn't as bad on this one narrow thing as newspapers and cable news might want you to think.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by ryandrake »

dev_by_day wrote: post #195
micromacrofoot wrote: post #149

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Please provide a single example of a media agency that is barred from publishing content because a "leftist" disagreed with it.

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwal…

News publications have to decide what is and isn't newsworthy, and it could be that this one just doesn't meet the bar. I know the right really really wants it to finally take off and gather steam, since they invested so much into it. It's a hard pill for them to swallow that HunterBidenLaptop just not that interesting or important. Kind of like Hillary's E-mails. At the end of the day nobody really cares about them.

I mean, if I worked in a news room and wanted to publish a story about the president's cousin's roommate's great soup recipe, and the editor says "NO" does that mean I'm being censored?

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Post by noja »

ejb999 wrote: post #170
noja wrote: post #153

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> Avowed leftist here: Let's just agree that both the Dems and Repubs ban/seek to stifle opinions they don't agree with. Someone wants to ban Maus, someone else wants to ban Joe Rogan. What kind of an argument is this? The only common thread between the two is the word "banning". Banning Joe Rogan is because he spreads misinformation about vaccines. He is causing lots of people to die, and the pandemic is longer beca…

>>How can you equate banning Maus with banning Joe Rogan? The only common thread between the two is the word "banning". Because free speech is free speech, whether you agree with what was said or not.

Free speech is not free speech. Shouting fire in a theater is not free speech because it causes panic then harm.

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Post by dev_by_day »

ryandrake wrote: post #205
dev_by_day wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwal…

News publications have to decide what is and isn't newsworthy, and it could be that this one just doesn't meet the bar. I know the right really really wants it to finally take off and gather steam, since they invested so much into it. It's a hard pill for them to swallow that HunterBidenLaptop just not that interesting or important. Kind of like Hillary's E-mails. At the end of the day nobody really cares about them.…

You asked for examples of censorship and it was given to you.

Irregardless of Greenwald, you can't deny twitter and social media outlets banning a New York Post journalist(and the White House Press Secretary) for sharing that story was not egregious censorship.

Banning articles from journalists is censorship. Period.

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Post by nouveaux »

dev_by_day wrote: post #195
micromacrofoot wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please provide a single example of a media agency that is barred from publishing content because a "leftist" disagreed with it.

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwal…

I don't know enough about the Hunter Biden Laptop story to know what's true and what's not, but your WSJ link is the opinion section. Can you link to a WSJ article not from the opinion section?

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Post by anthk »

magicalist wrote: post #44
anthk wrote: post #40

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https://wikiless.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine?lang=en Look what happened in Ukraine. Among neonazis, they supported this: Ukraine's 2017 education law will make Ukrainian the required language of study in state schools from the fifth grade on, although it allows instruction in other languages as a separate subject,[65][66][67] to be phased in in 2023.[68] Since 2017, the Hungary–Ukraine relations rapidly deter…

Posting more and longer non sequiturs just doubles down on the whole "combo whataboutism and gish gallop" thing.

OFC, I agree. But here no one is trully innocent and there were really borderline nazi laws on non Ukranian languages that even the Francoist Spain didn't have until we put the fascist regime back to the post war era and not the one post US relations.

Hope the war ends soon, the "rebel" provinces gets a referendum and if they opt to be part of Russia, they should have a clause to be Russian AND part of the European Union. Everyone wins. Russia too, even if it "hates" the West they need us the Europeans economically far more than a war mongering USA.

Re: Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by dev_by_day »

nouveaux wrote: post #208
dev_by_day wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwal…

I don't know enough about the Hunter Biden Laptop story to know what's true and what's not, but your WSJ link is the opinion section. Can you link to a WSJ article not from the opinion section?

It was revealed to likely be real during the publishing of a book by a fairly neutral Politico journalist on Hunter Biden

https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con...

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou...

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