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Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pjmlp »

blibble wrote: post #194
pjmlp wrote: post #190

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20 years for 1% increase, sooo massive. Chromebooks aren't Linux, the userspace runs on the Web Platform, and Crostini is no different from WSL 2.

> Chromebooks aren't Linux pretty certain they are let me guess... Android phones aren't Linux either? or the millions of Dell/HP servers running nginx/Java/Postgres/...?

> Let me guess... Android phones aren't Linux either?

Exactly, ask the Termux guys how much fun they are having obeying to this set of API restrictions,

https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis

Do you see any Linux APIs there? I don't.

And just for the case you are feeling clever,

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2016/06/improving-...

> or the millions of Dell/HP servers running nginx/Java/Postgres/...?

We are not speaking about servers on a thread about laptops and desktop computers.

It is quite clear that UNIX owns the server room.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by alphabettsy »

smoldesu wrote: post #192
Maxburn wrote: post #162

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I've got a 6th gen X1 carbon and under windows the thing has the fan on high all the time. Switched to Linux (mint) and I went a couple months before I heard the fan, doing all the same things. I don't know what windows is doing these days but it isn't doing it for me, the end user.

T460s user here, on Windows (and Hackintosh, for the sake of bad comparison), my system idled ~40-45c and the fans also ran constantly. Put Linux on it, add auto-cpufreq, and then it idles ~27c (30c with external display). No fans unless I launch games, have heavy network usage for >5 minutes, or compile something. I'd probably give the Macbooks (or this new Thinkpad) a closer look if I didn't work with Docker consta…

Why is Docker an issue?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by camgunz »

wincy wrote: post #185
shusaku wrote: post #121

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> This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Doubtful. But they’ll make up for it by having it be on sale 24/7/365. I love my thinkpad but the buying process is awful.

Yeah but you can constantly get deals on the new MacBook Air for ~$850. It’s just such an amazingly good and affordable laptop.

Those are usually for the baseline models. But, other than meager storage, I think it's still a great deal.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

Maxburn wrote: post #162
schipplock wrote: post #26

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My Thinkpad E14 Gen3 is quiet most of the time. My T470p is boiling my hands and the fan is constantly whirring (I still like it :)). But I agree, Apples MacBook is of a different kind. The only time I heard the fan was when playing Metro Exodus and when I ran cinebench :). My MacBook Pro outperforms every other computer in my possession. But I'm still interested in this Thinkpad, because I'm not too happy with macOS…

I've got a 6th gen X1 carbon and under windows the thing has the fan on high all the time. Switched to Linux (mint) and I went a couple months before I heard the fan, doing all the same things. I don't know what windows is doing these days but it isn't doing it for me, the end user.

On the other hand, I use a Windows on a Intel m3-6y30 machine and the fan hardly ever runs despite it being a fairly anemic system by today's standards.

One has to think that all these users who can't seem to configure and operate Windows properly are probably not configuring and operating Linux (which exposes much deeper control and complexity to the user) properly either. "It's a poor craftsman that blames their tools", after all.

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by pjmlp »

squarefoot wrote: post #86
pjmlp wrote: post #11

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That is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.

This is completely untrue. I had a Asus laptop in 2003 in which everything worked out of the box under Red Hat Linux, save for video acceleration, but mine was a unfortunate model since most colleagues had no problem with their much better laptops. A couple years later I bought a (much more expensive) wonderful Fujitsu Siemens P7010 which supported Debian Linux out of the box 100% after I provided the firmware for th…

So you had issues but it isn't true,....

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by mrlemke »

Hinrik wrote: post #156
dasKrokodil wrote: post #144

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True, but if you're having two windows side by side, the wider 16:9 will give you more horizontal space to do so. One more thing about display sizes and aspect ratio: Since display sizes are usually given by the length of the diagonal, those aspect ratios that are closer to a square (1:1) will have a bigger area for the same diagonal. With the same diagonal length, a 16:10 has a ~5% larger area than a 16:9, and a 4:3…

>True, but if you're having two windows side by side, the wider 16:9 will give you more horizontal space to do so. I don't know about you, but I don't read two pages of text at the same time.

You've never referenced documentation while writing or programming anything?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by ip26 »

hackerfromthefu wrote: post #136
AnssiH wrote: post #74

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FWIW, I switched from X270 to X13 Gen2 AMD (5850U, 32GB) recently and the difference has been night-and-day - even just web browsing on X270 caused audible noise, while X13G2A is practically completely silent unless I do something very demanding. So maybe look into T14s Gen2 AMD (which may be pretty similar to X13 Gen2 since they share the HW maintenance manual). But YMMV of course, and I have no experience of M1.

Be aware the screens on X13 and T14/T14s are pretty lacklustre for colour reproduction

They have some screen upgrade options, fwiw

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

Is that price with or without a rootkit?

Re: Lenovo announces the first Arm-based ThinkPad

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Post by midrus »

aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #209
ksec wrote: post #48

>The ThinkPad 13s will start at $1,099 This $1099 config better have 16GB Memory and 512GB by default. Otherwise it is a machine that cost about the same as MacBook Air M2, with lower Display Res, slower CPU and GPU and No Touch ID. This is perhaps for the first time in history Apple has a better "spec" machine for the same price. With the scale of iPhone and iPad, Apple is now at a point where the whole PC industry…

Is that price with or without a rootkit?

It is rootkit free, they still haven't migrated it to work in ARM. Will come in a later automatic update.
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