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Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by aerostable_slug »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #123
andix wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s why it’s best to only name things after dead people. Less surprises.

An Intel employee explained their code-naming on white-box server chassis/motherboard combinations back in the late 90s. There were chassis named things like "Balboa" and "Cabrillo". Motherboards were named things like "Buckeye", "Redwood", and "Sitka". He said "We've never been sued by a dead explorer or a tree."

No, now you'll get sued by people who are offended by one's choice in dead explorers — or even the use of explorers at all.

Imagine codenaming a chassis "Drake" today, where even the famed hotel in San Francisco changed its name (now it sounds like a generic chain hotel — "Beacon Grand").

Use Junipero Serra's name? Better hope your offices are vandalism-resistant...

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by pcwalton »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #116

I, for one, don't understand why can't they give Hans a computer and an internet connection and allow him to work on some open-source project.

Hans Reiser was reportedly impossible to work with in any event, as the Reiser4 debacle showed. I'm happy excluding him from the open source community.

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by kragen »

londons_explore wrote: post #137
dale_glass wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it was the --rebuild-tree argument, which as I understand tries to fix an otherwise completely broken filesystem by searching for anything that looks like metadata and gluing it back together. I've not looked at reiserfs in many years though, so I could be mis-remembering here.

Seems like something pretty fixable too... Only scan areas of the disk which aren't part of already valid filesystem structures, including the users files.

It's kind of the point of fsck that it scans areas of the disk which aren't part of already valid filesystem structures. It's what you run when your filesystem structure is invalid in order to recover as much as you can.

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

chousuke wrote: post #80
jordigh wrote: post #69

"WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE" https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75 I was surprised to see that Linux has in fact removed other filesystems in the past (and I had to look up the word "senescent"). So the real news to me here is that a somewhat "major" break in userspace is being considered. Sure, ReiserFS might not be getting a lot of new installs, but the fact that people have submitted fixes to it within the past few y…

Removing a kernel driver does not break userspace. I mean, yes, your filesystem becomes inaccessible, but any programs that you could run if you could access that filesystem by some other means would still function. None of them depend on ReiserFS specifically for their function. Userspace breakage is more about changing interfaces in such a way that applications using that interface change their behaviour somehow. T…

If your application interfaces with ReiserFS directly (fsck/servicing scripts), or you expect to see certain performance patterns (like high speed on lots of smaller files), then I would consider this userspace breakage.

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by hulitu »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #195
daneel_w wrote: post #174

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Does superficial moralism and applying guilt by association somehow improve your life?

There is no need to over-analyze this. It's perfectly legitimate to feel that it's weird to use an FS created by someone who murdered his wife, or otherwise violated or opposed norms that you hold important. For instance, I certainly wouldn't use something called HitlerOS as my daily driver (or at all), no matter how good it was, because the name itself makes me uncomfortable.

Then i should not use a linux system because it contains code from NSA, Google, Facebook, Apple or even Microsoft. That's not a reason not to use a system. The US was more than happy to use things created by german war criminals ( V2).

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

daneel_w wrote: post #200
selfhoster11 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need to over-analyze this. It's perfectly legitimate to feel that it's weird to use an FS created by someone who murdered his wife, or otherwise violated or opposed norms that you hold important. For instance, I certainly wouldn't use something called HitlerOS as my daily driver (or at all), no matter how good it was, because the name itself makes me uncomfortable.

There's no need to overreact about it either; no need to judge the book by its cover. To use your example, some people are having allergic reactions to the software as if it were named HitlerFS. The conflation is exaggerated. Dismissing great software because it was named after a man who would years later murder someone won't bring the victim back. It just eaves the world with less great software. Pointless and misgu…

As I pointed out, this is not moralism. Humans aren't cold, calculating logic machines. We have emotions, and we care about our social standing.

If I choose to use a slightly inferor alternative because the name makes me uncomfortable, that is perfectly legitimate.

If using ReiserFS costs me a number of weirdness tokens (like using it in a workplace, and the relevant decision makers are likely to know about the murder now or in the future), then I may choose not to use it to conserve those tokens for other controversial initiatives that I care about even more.

Neither of those decisions may be "rational", but it's also not moralising. I simply have to take a complicated social/emotional calculus into account, something that most do unconsciously 24/7 without thinking "hmm, today I shall get on my moral high horse and decide that this is moral and the other thing isn't".

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

hulitu wrote: post #205
selfhoster11 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need to over-analyze this. It's perfectly legitimate to feel that it's weird to use an FS created by someone who murdered his wife, or otherwise violated or opposed norms that you hold important. For instance, I certainly wouldn't use something called HitlerOS as my daily driver (or at all), no matter how good it was, because the name itself makes me uncomfortable.

Then i should not use a linux system because it contains code from NSA, Google, Facebook, Apple or even Microsoft. That's not a reason not to use a system. The US was more than happy to use things created by german war criminals ( V2).

> That's not a reason not to use a system.

If you care about those things very deeply, then perhaps that is exactly the right thing to do. Lots of people don't do things because of ideological or personal beliefs, even if it limits their options.

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by selfhoster11 »

dale_glass wrote: post #50
mark_undoio wrote: post #41

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It's interesting that, having avoided a filesystem with a version number, you eventually ended up on Reiser 4! Shows how much some branding decisions can affect with you acquire a user or not, since you then stuck with the "brand" (though I presume quite a lot of time had passed and circumstances may have been different). I formed the impression that Hans Reiser's somewhat bombastic approach did not interface well wi…

There were grandiose plans indeed! Including things like plugins, yes, and ideas like exposing metadata about files (like MP3 artist tags and such) in virtual files. You'd `cat song.mp3/artist` or some such, treating the file as a virtual directory. There also was weird artwork to go with all of that: http://web.archive.org/web/20070219175315/http://www.namesys...

Somewhat related, Minio now supports serving files from within ZIP archives. So that same song.mp3 could be accessed by opening the URL http://minio/files.zip/song.mp3. By treating the ZIP file as a virtual directory, you can access individual files within it without downloading the entire archive.

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by d_tr »

londons_explore wrote: post #167
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #154

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Don't prisoners already work in prisons, atleast in US ones? (although my knowledge comes mostly from movies and new articles).

I think the US is pretty unique in this regard. Most other countries don't allow this for the moral/ethical reasons in the parent post.

In Greece you can optionally work while incarcerated, provided there is work to do for some of the prison's facilities, and each workday counts as two regarding your stay there.

Re: Is it time to remove reiserfs?

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

__s wrote: post #145
shaky-carrousel wrote: post #43

> There don't seem to be any fixes for user-spotted bugs since 2019. Does reiserfs still have a large install base that is just very happy with an old stable filesystem? Or have all its users migrated to new and exciting filesystems with active feature development? Data loss bugs sure sound exciting, but I'm old, and stable, and I prefer my file systems like myself.

& in the year 2038 you'll lose your mind?

Probably. Alzheimer's runs on the family.
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