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Post by geenew »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #163
MattGaiser wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Two-thirds of Canadians support military force to end Ottawa protests: poll https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/02/12/two-thirds-of-canadia... The current approach seems to be a lot more mild than what the public would accept.

A few years ago, there was an online poll to name a new scientific research boat. The boat ended up being named 'boaty mcboatface' I don't know how much I take stock in online polls especially made by partisan sources. Huffington post did an online poll about who would win the 2016 presidential election. Hillary Clinton received around 99% of the votes.

Who said anything about an online poll?

“ The poll was conducted Feb. 9 and 10, 2022 among a random selection of 1,506 Canadian adults who are Maru Voice Canada panelists and is accurate within +/- 2.5 per cent, 19 times out of 20.”

It’s right there in the linked article.

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Post by corey_moncure »

Jackim wrote: post #88
busymom0 wrote: post #55

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I and my friends have been there for 3 weekends and haven't seen any of that. > Homeless shelters were raided by protestors, businesses have been forced to close due to threats, and people are afraid to leave their homes. This is hilariously inaccurate. Everyone's bringing food TO the truckers and there's so much food there that truckers are refusing to take more. Amazingly, we live in 2022 where everyone has a phone…

I'm happy that you haven't experienced any of that. None of what I said is untrue. I'm glad there has been lots of support from this protest to attempt to make up for some of the damage. It is still an illegal occupation that is costing my city millions every day, thousands of people are out of work at the Rideau Centre alone, libraries have been shut down, school children are being intimidated... I'm happy you're ha…

I see you are concerned with the protest having the effects of

> Costing millions

> Putting people out of work

> Shutting down civic functions

> intimidating school children

I don't know anything about Canadian government's response to the virus, but would it be fair to characterize the effects of the response as any or all of the above? Or if not affecting you directly, then those you may personally know or simply your fellow countrymen?

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Post by colechristensen »

mprovost wrote: post #186
colechristensen wrote: post #101

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Put the measures being protested directly up for a vote by the Canadian legislature (so they're not just executive actions), if they're not struck down the government should resign / do a no confidence vote, let people elect a new government. Let the people have their voice. If protests continue take actions that let them protest but reduce their ability to be disruptive. With the current dynamics of the disease thou…

Omicron will not be the last variant and there's no guarantee that the next one will be less dangerous.

There's not a "guarantee" but this is the well known behavior of the evolution of diseases. There is strong evolutionary pressure to become less deadly and more infectious.

Plus a future variant is likely to be even less affected by vaccination status.

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Post by kennywinker »

animal_spirits wrote: post #166
pkd wrote: post #143

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There is no loss of mandate, if the opinion polls are anything to go by. Besides, the Canadian people chose the government in the middle of the pandemic last year. Is there a more comprehensive definition of a "mandate" than a federal election? Whether the response is authoritarian depends on how it is enforced. The police have basically failed to enforce any law on the occupiers on parliament hill (I live here). If…

It was a snap election was it not? To me it seemed like the Canadian government was trying to take advantage of some weird timing/power trick to remain in government. Instead of waiting for the normal time to re-elect they saw an opportunity to stay in power. I am uneducated on Canadian politics so I could be seeing it wrong

This is how basically all elections involving a minority government happen here. They’re always trying to game the election timing to upgrade to a majority. Stephen Harper did it too (minority in 2006, majority in 2008).

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Post by jcadam »

Wiseacre wrote: post #155
jcadam wrote: post #124

An obvious response to this, that doesn't involve blocking any roads, is for truckers to simply go on strike. Imagine if even a quarter of Canadian truckers just decided to sit at home and not move anything.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/story/2022-02-...

Stores would start running out of product in days/weeks. Replacing a significant portion of the fleet with autonomous trucks will take far longer.

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

version_five wrote: post #19

It seems like (maybe it's a polarization thing) its becoming more common for all sides to want to go straight to the (thankfully only metaphorical) nuclear option to try and end situations. Everything is framed as an emergency or a human right or some other category that means its supposed to be dealt with in the harshest possible terms and admit no discussion. I don't just mean by government or a particular side, it…

This is a really fascinating point and true.

Everything is "unprecedented" and the "biggest threat to society" and other sensational labels.

I think it may come from the media who tend to sensationalize often?

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Post by nyokodo »

JohnBooty wrote: post #76
version_five wrote: post #19

It seems like (maybe it's a polarization thing) its becoming more common for all sides to want to go straight to the (thankfully only metaphorical) nuclear option to try and end situations. Everything is framed as an emergency or a human right or some other category that means its supposed to be dealt with in the harshest possible terms and admit no discussion. I don't just mean by government or a particular side, it…

It seems like (maybe it's a polarization thing) its becoming more common for all sides to want to go straight to the (thankfully only metaphorical) nuclear option to try and end situations. It may "seem like" that to you but that's factually incorrect, at least in this case. This blockade has been ongoing for weeks. Maybe you only just heard about today, but they certainly didn't go "straight to the nuclear option."…

> Calling the current state of affairs "the nuclear option" is disingenuous at best.

Could be, but to extend the metaphor giving yourself the political option to call in the military is certainly taking the safety off the big red button.

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Post by buscoquadnary »

WesternWind wrote: post #191

Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…

> First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana...

My understanding was this was about the mandates and restrictions themselves not about the vaccine.

I mean I am vaxxed and oppose vax mandates.

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Post by egberts1 »

“everyone has a right to assemble” - PM Trudeau, May 21, 2021

“get those hospital workers, get those anti-Vaxxers, get those oil consumers, get those truckers, get those protesters; crush ‘em all!” - Shorter Trudeau, today.

https://twitter.com/justintrudeau/status/1394099973709565954

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