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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Spivak wrote: post #200
coder543 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The people pushing these regulations know that they would go nowhere if they tried to attack sales commissions directly and now the stupidity is bearing fruit. That’s a very strong statement to lack any citation. The intent of the regulators was clear. If a Apple is going to be petulant, the regulators can just come back and tell Apple to lower their commission across the board, which will inevitably hurt Apple mor…

> the regulators can just come back and tell Apple to lower their commission across the board Unless you somehow craft a "fuck you Apple in particular" law which in basically all courts wouldn't fly, the regulation would be an immediate massive change to how all platforms do business. You would in one stroke wipe out the business models of basically all ecommerce platforms. Re: your edit > If one company charges too…

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Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #125
mccorrinall wrote: post #118

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I believe you’re misinterpreting it. Pretty sure it’s meant sarcastic since even satire magazines like the onion couldn’t make this up. The germans actually have a word for this: “realsatire”. It means when reality writes better satirical tragedies than anyone of us ever could.

I don't think I'm misinterpreting that he appears to be gleeful at the trolling. He thinks it is funny.

Seeing that he is one of the most popular indy app developers, I assure you he isn’t happy with Apple’s App Store policies.

https://marco.org/2021/06/03/developer-relations

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by mig39 »

ajdude wrote: post #195
disgu wrote: post #132

I'm probably in the minority here but I'm at a point where I'll simply not purchase any service if I cannot use the in app form of payment. I'm just done with everything else. If I miss out on something then so be it. Have you ever bought an Adobe subscription, ever tried to cancel a New York Times subscription? Or Audible where they say "Well, you can cancel but then we'll also take the tokens you've already paid fo…

Seconding this. Apple is also the only provider that lets me consistently pay with those Visa gift cards that almost never work when charging a credit card online.

I stock up on Apple gift cards when they're 20% off at Costco. I'll buy $200-$300 and add it all into my account.

So I'm getting 20% off all purchases, effectively, until the credit runs out.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by gruez »

Aldo_MX wrote: post #175
judge2020 wrote: post #161

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So how much should they charge developers for access to continued iOS improvements and updates? What if they had to pay a license fee for access to each new iOS version's APIs?

99 / year is not enough???

Is it surprising that it isn't? To operate a car in the US, not only do you have to pay for vehicle registration fees, you also have to pay drivers license renewal fees and fuel surcharges.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by asimpletune »

huhtenberg wrote: post #33

But, wait! It gets even better [1]: - Cannot also support IAP - Website links are all to a single URL specified in Info.plist with no parameters - Must submit monthly report to Apple listing EVERY external transaction All for measly 27% of the sales proceeds. A total steal. Apple's really jerking on the regulators' chain. I sure hope they continue in the same vein, because the fallout will be spectacular. [1] https:/…

It's just to stem any bleeding while they appeal.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by pwinnski »

Drew_ wrote: post #113
Grustaf wrote: post #69

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Perhaps the 27% is a troll, but the warning screen is 100% in line with how they always do things. Just like when you run an executable on your mac that you downloaded from the internet, they warn you and ask you if you really want to open it. That's not about money, it's about making it clear to users what they are about to do, so they don't have a bad experience and are put off Apple products.

Pretty sure in MacOS you just need to flip a toggle once and it'll never prompt you about sideloading again.

That was true initially, but I believe more recent versions have removed (or at least renamed/moved) that toggle so you are prompted about everything you download now.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by scarface74 »

causi wrote: post #136
dessant wrote: post #67

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Products on the App Store can be sold at a different price, companies often do this to recoup some of that 30% App Store commission. Edit: this is a fact, though feel free to downvote. Apple tries to hide this from the user by not letting publishers mention that the app or service is cheaper when purchased outside of the App Store or Mac App Store.

I must be misunderstanding this. Since Apple doesn't support sideloading, how is any product offered both on the App Store and somewhere else, let alone for a different price?

You can buy subscriptions outside of the App Store and still use the app.

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by gruez »

rpadovani wrote: post #140
scarface74 wrote: post #103

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The Netherlands population is a little more than half of Texas’s population. Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect.

Except they cannot. If you have an EU point of sale, you cannot deny service to any EU citizen based on nationality. So, they can stop _selling_ in the Netherlands, but given how close is any Dutch to another EU state, I don't see it as a problem for purchasing a phone. Apple will sustain that, given the phone wasn't bought in the Netherlands, they are not subject to their laws. Good luck with that.

>> Apple could completely pull out of the Netherlands and wouldn’t even feel the affect.

>Except they cannot[...]

>[...] they can stop _selling_ in the Netherlands

I don't get it. Aren't you agreeing with the parent poster?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by gruez »

acd10j wrote: post #168

I do not want Apple to enable side loading, as it will enable people like employers, Government shady companies to build apps and mandate it to install for accessing some very important functionality, also will trigger, carriers provided phones to have non app store crap installed like in Android phones. At the same time i think Apple is sabotaging all of us by insisting on getting this steep 30% cut. As no governmen…

>as it will enable people like employers, Government shady companies to build apps and mandate it to install for accessing some very important functionality

1. can't tell already do that with enterprise provisioning profiles?

2. can't you refuse them access to your personal phone and demand that they provide you a work phone?

Re: This app does not support the App Store’s private and secure payment system

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Post by coder543 »

Spivak wrote: post #200
coder543 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The people pushing these regulations know that they would go nowhere if they tried to attack sales commissions directly and now the stupidity is bearing fruit. That’s a very strong statement to lack any citation. The intent of the regulators was clear. If a Apple is going to be petulant, the regulators can just come back and tell Apple to lower their commission across the board, which will inevitably hurt Apple mor…

> the regulators can just come back and tell Apple to lower their commission across the board Unless you somehow craft a "fuck you Apple in particular" law which in basically all courts wouldn't fly, the regulation would be an immediate massive change to how all platforms do business. You would in one stroke wipe out the business models of basically all ecommerce platforms. Re: your edit > If one company charges too…

I’m talking about consumer choice. As a consumer, I can stop buying artwork from Etsy if their fees make the artwork more expensive than I’m willing to pay, and I can buy that same artwork from the same artist through other stores, if the artist agrees. But I can keep all the artwork I bought before. I don’t have to give it up to switch platforms. With Apple and the App Store, I do have to give up everything to switch to Android, which is completely a different proposition to switching away from Etsy. I’m locked into Apple’s platform, and Apple is abusing this to make prices exorbitantly high for me, the consumer.

If we want to talk about the developer perspective, then you’re making an even stronger argument that Apple has abused monopoly privilege and needs to be regulated as such. These iOS consumers aren’t reachable through other markets, only Apple’s. This is not the case for Etsy.

In both cases, the ability to choose is greatly reduced compared to other markets. The switching cost is high and requires a big sacrifice from the consumer, but then both Apple and Google have either directly or indirectly conspired to keep App Store prices at 30%, so switching between the platforms doesn’t even provide a real choice there at all.

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