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Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by greggman3 »

Dig1t wrote: post #197

I'd bet $20 that Google (and probably Amazon) has started or will start working on an App Store for iOS. If either of them use their dark patterns to get people to install their app stores then this could be a different situation than what's happening on Android, where very few users actually side load apps. With the weight of one of these giants they could really get massive adoption on iOS in an alternative store.

Amazon already tried that on Android and failed. Why do you expect them to succeed on iOS?

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by tragictrash »

Dig1t wrote: post #197

I'd bet $20 that Google (and probably Amazon) has started or will start working on an App Store for iOS. If either of them use their dark patterns to get people to install their app stores then this could be a different situation than what's happening on Android, where very few users actually side load apps. With the weight of one of these giants they could really get massive adoption on iOS in an alternative store.

Damn. They are totally going to do this, just to avoid the app store review process.

Funny how apple made the process so difficult and because of that, when they lose their monopoly, Google and others will be there waiting to implement the parent comment's plan.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by tragictrash »

greggman3 wrote: post #201
Dig1t wrote: post #197

I'd bet $20 that Google (and probably Amazon) has started or will start working on an App Store for iOS. If either of them use their dark patterns to get people to install their app stores then this could be a different situation than what's happening on Android, where very few users actually side load apps. With the weight of one of these giants they could really get massive adoption on iOS in an alternative store.

Amazon already tried that on Android and failed. Why do you expect them to succeed on iOS?

Failed? Dude, it's going strong.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

e93849 wrote: post #145
stuff4ben wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Any security checking is probably automated Genuine question, do you think that comes free? It costs money to develop these things and having control over the app store allows them to recoup that. I see no problem except maybe it's too expensive for developers. A more reasonable cut should be offered IMO.

I already paid Apple when I bought my iPhone. Why should I be forced to keep paying them more?

Hell, you own the phone, the contract with the carrier, the storage. Apple is like a thug on the street charging a cover charge to go in the club, and they don't own the club or work for them. They just demand money because they're bigger than you.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by tragictrash »

clusterfish wrote: post #122
nerdjon wrote: post #69

As long as this does not cause an exodus from the App Store and I am forced to start paying for apps directly, I am fine with this. But a strong benefit to the App Store for me is being able to manage and cancel my subscriptions from a central place. No going through 5 screens, no being forced to call, no any of that crap. I can already see apps refusing to carry through the App Store so they can control more, and I…

Pretty much all Apple has to do to keep apps in App Store in the face of competition is drop their fees to less than 10% for all apps and drop bullshit like "you can't even link to your website if it lets users pay from there", and almost everyone except the most brazen will stay on App Store. We'll see what actually happens but I personally I doubt that Apple values user experience more than it values gouging develo…

Don't forget the review process. It's enough motivation for large players like Google to expend exorbitant resources developing.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by jshen »

Nbox9 wrote: post #186
clusterfish wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much all Apple has to do to keep apps in App Store in the face of competition is drop their fees to less than 10% for all apps and drop bullshit like "you can't even link to your website if it lets users pay from there", and almost everyone except the most brazen will stay on App Store. We'll see what actually happens but I personally I doubt that Apple values user experience more than it values gouging develo…

> all Apple has to do is give a >60% discount to their current prices.

Yes, because it’s an exploitative tax that only exists because of their monopoly on the App Store that houses nearly everyone with disposable income.

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by Someone1234 »

guerrilla wrote: post #191

Would this allow alternative browser emgines on iOS?

Not directly, since it doesn't require a more permissive sandbox.

You could side-load a completely bespoke browser engine, but within the current sandbox restrictions it would be significantly worse than the Safari-based one. Apple would have to both allow side-loading AND weaken the OS's sandboxing restrictions to get a e.g. Chromium based browser engine running natively.

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Post by warning26 »

tragictrash wrote: post #203
greggman3 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon already tried that on Android and failed. Why do you expect them to succeed on iOS?

Failed? Dude, it's going strong.

I mean, it exists -- but does anyone actually use it?

Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee

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Post by greggman3 »

No idea if it will happen but I'd love a Steam App store on iOS. If I buy an game that runs on Mac/PC/Android/iOS I'd love to be able to buy it once and play it everywhere. I can do that Mac/PC/Linux at the moment, would be nice to add iOS and Android as well. And, even if they aren't the same game it would nice if buying a game on steam unlocked some companion app on my phone via a Steam iOS/Android store.
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