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My other complaint is that it's just another walled garden.
That's true of all messaging apps besides base text messages, though, isn't it? It's not like I can send a message on facebook messenger to somebody who reads it in telegram.
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Is that the version that is actually deployed to their servers, though?
Why wouldn't it be?
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I get your argument but remember a lot of users aren't in the united states. In India, Amazon prime is around $1.5/ month. Same $2.5 for Netflix mobile only basic plan. My point is, $5/month might sound reasonable for most folk in the us but outside that, with purchasing power greatly reduced to a factor of 1:80 for example with India and USA conversion rate, these sound very expensive. So my question is, should I pa…
Completely understand where you're coming from and the cost implications. I'm curious about your position on Amazon Prime. It's a loss leader so you're compelled to spend more at Amazon. Are you spending more with Amazon to rationalize the Prime subscription? That's the goal and why they offer it. You also state... > I would rather set up a matrix server at a lowendbox vps ...and my guess here is that you're going to…
my point is, if we are doing apples and apples comparison, old free signal competed with whatsapp/telegram. now, it is competing with netflix and prime in terms of cost because whatsapp/telegram is not paid for now.
my point is, if you are paying, why not go all the way and support matrix? signal is pretty hostile towards foss ideology and building your own servers, clients and such. the idea was "diluting the brand" but now its apparent. they wanted the signal brand to remain with the official services only because then they can charge for it.
can't you pay for matrix https://element.io/personal-plans if you do not plan to deal with the hassle of selfhosting which imo many people enjoy.
i understand the network effect of signal/whatsapp/telegram because the whole number directory thing but other than that, what does it have "better" than matrix? assuming tomorrow ALL your friends and their friends of friends use matrix instead of signal, would you feel the difference?
i am not shilling for matrix in particular. this just seems to be the better free software (foss) alternative to signal shenanigans and their disdain towards foss ideology
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I get your argument but remember a lot of users aren't in the united states. In India, Amazon prime is around $1.5/ month. Same $2.5 for Netflix mobile only basic plan. My point is, $5/month might sound reasonable for most folk in the us but outside that, with purchasing power greatly reduced to a factor of 1:80 for example with India and USA conversion rate, these sound very expensive. So my question is, should I pa…
Completely understand where you're coming from and the cost implications. I'm curious about your position on Amazon Prime. It's a loss leader so you're compelled to spend more at Amazon. Are you spending more with Amazon to rationalize the Prime subscription? That's the goal and why they offer it. You also state... > I would rather set up a matrix server at a lowendbox vps ...and my guess here is that you're going to…
> you're going to spend roughly
Good relatively high-performant virtual machines can be had for $0 a month. I know of at least three different ways of getting them (all 100% legal), plus a few that don't work anymore.
> Plus your hours invested
These hours have payed many times over thanks to knowledge and experience gained from them.
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Unusable is a big stretch
If a network is not usable by anyone with a smartphone, it's strictly less usable than WhatsApp. That means in practice, it's unusable.
Even if that was the case, " it's strictly less usable than WhatsApp" is not true, because other messengers can provide other quality of life features.
" That means in practice, it's unusable." is not true either. Remove "Status" support from WhatsApp and you get strictly less usable than WhatsApp. Still, it is not unusable.
Signal is pretty close to being strictly less usable than WhatsApp btw.
They should sell the ability of creating an account not attached to a phone number. Pay $5, get a code that allows creating a single account, enter the code somewhere in the app to allow using a user name in place of the phone. This limits spam and, as this code can also be sent to another person, there is a way to hide the relationship between payer and final user. No need for cryptocoins, NFTs, or other stupid thin…
so pay for privacy? I thought privacy was supposed to be available for free?
Correct. They are asking money already.
Signal justifies not allowing usernames as (partially) an anti-spam measure and I assume they also be doing it to limit the amount of accounts created and, so, the use of server resources for which they pay. Selling these accounts solves both problems.
Also allows us to actually use Signal for groups, I don't like the idea of large groups knowing my phone number.
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Requiring a phone number is literally my only complaint about Signal, I used to just use a Google Voice number but then I learned about TextNow and have been migrating away from Google as much as possible https://www.textnow.com/how-it-works
My other complaint is that it's just another walled garden.
It seems unlikely that big tech and telecom corporations, whose lifeblood is personal data harvesting, or government, with surveillance states becoming the global norm, are going to agree to adopt a genuinely secure end to end encrypted messaging standard or protocol on the best devices ever to facilitate their practices.
WhatsApp used to cost 99 cents per year https://www.siliconvalley.com/2016/01/18/whatsapp-drops-99-c... I can't remember ever paying.
That business model turned out to be acquire critical mass and then be acquired, but I recall people talking about how WhatsApp was hemorrhaging money in the process.
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Please continue to contribute to Wikipedia. It's one place in the internet I can go and not be bombarded with ads.
But filled with editors who accuse you of various sorts of foul play when stepping onto their turfs.
It's not really endemic to Wikipedia as such, in my humble opinion. And the project still works.