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Facebook loses users for the first time

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Re: Facebook loses users for the first time

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Post by Damogran6 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #133
Damogran6 wrote: post #90

I went back to my forums, find myself easily disengaging from Reddit (around the election, Reddit was nothing but stress), Check Twitter maybe 10 minutes a week, go to Instagram once a week because my kid posts his artwork there. But in general, ALL of the sticky sites aren’t…sticky anymore. I took 2 weeks off at the worst of it and it did an amazing job of breaking the feedback loop. Facebook tried to take over foru…

> I went back to my forums, find myself easily disengaging from Reddit (around the election, Reddit was nothing but stress), Check Twitter maybe 10 minutes a week, go to Instagram once a week because my kid posts his artwork there. Are you a teen or a young adult. I am guessing you are in between age of 35 - 45 because, I am that age myself and have started weaning off of social media lately. The dopamine rewards are…

52, and I’m getting tired of a lot of things. May be the testosterone. From a VR standpoint, Battle Royal zombie shooters with bow and arrow mechanics in a game with crafting and skill trees holds NOTHING for me anymore

Re: Facebook loses users for the first time

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Post by stjohnswarts »

Damogran6 wrote: post #90

I went back to my forums, find myself easily disengaging from Reddit (around the election, Reddit was nothing but stress), Check Twitter maybe 10 minutes a week, go to Instagram once a week because my kid posts his artwork there. But in general, ALL of the sticky sites aren’t…sticky anymore. I took 2 weeks off at the worst of it and it did an amazing job of breaking the feedback loop. Facebook tried to take over foru…

reddit is great if you curate your feed. If you go to "popular" or "trending" it's a dumpster fire. I still love reddit though with my 10 or so subreddits that I follow.

Re: Facebook loses users for the first time

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Post by notyourwork »

epa wrote: post #195

If you think about how metrics works, they probably had friendly fraud pumping their numbers -- think about them counting bots as new users when in fact it was just bots. Zuck sells Nov'2021 because he knows this info (insider trading works this way), earnings come out and news is released from the prior quarter.

Zuck and other executives sell on a schedule right? I agree this is plausible but your second sentence sort of implies he in short time frame defrauding investors by selling before releasing numbers. Not sure that is the case, its the same as Elon Musk asking Twitter if he should sell but already had scheduled sales disclosed prior.

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Post by makeworld »

elwell wrote: post #157
petilon wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they use Instagram instead. Either way Zuck wins.

Facebook is for old people. Instagram is for moderately old people. Snapchat is for moderately young people. TikTok is for young people.

Everyone uses Instagram, teens most of all.

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #122
Damogran6 wrote: post #90

I went back to my forums, find myself easily disengaging from Reddit (around the election, Reddit was nothing but stress), Check Twitter maybe 10 minutes a week, go to Instagram once a week because my kid posts his artwork there. But in general, ALL of the sticky sites aren’t…sticky anymore. I took 2 weeks off at the worst of it and it did an amazing job of breaking the feedback loop. Facebook tried to take over foru…

reddit used to be great until they pulled their great bait & switch, then added all kinds of authoritarian features. A brief history of reddit: > We want to democratize the traditional model by giving editorial control to the people who use the site, not those who run it. — Reddit FAQ 2005 > We've always benefited from a policy of not censoring content — u/kn0thing 2008 > A bastion of free speech on the World Wide We…

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Re: Facebook loses users for the first time

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Post by notyourwork »

mmaunder wrote: post #194

And thus begins their gamble. They’re going to have to bet the entire biz on virtual. Most public companies can’t do this, but FB has a unique control structure that gives Zuck the ability to bet the farm.

Does anyone else find this on the level of batshit crazy insane? Meta, are we really going to divest so far from the physical world that the a virtual reality is worth that much? I mean VR is realistically a video game. I just don't see it but I do see desperation from FB.

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Post by notyourwork »

kbrannigan wrote: post #175

I remember when AOL or Yahoo or MSN was the place to be. Then myspace or Hi5 was the place to be Now it's google and facebook. How long will they last? Nokia was the phone to have Then Blackberry was the phone to have Now it's iPhone How long will this last?

Capitalism. The market speaks with their time and money. If you cannot keep them, someone will innovate on your idea and the herd moves.

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Post by didericis »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #153
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reddit used to be great until they pulled their great bait & switch, then added all kinds of authoritarian features. A brief history of reddit: > We want to democratize the traditional model by giving editorial control to the people who use the site, not those who run it. — Reddit FAQ 2005 > We've always benefited from a policy of not censoring content — u/kn0thing 2008 > A bastion of free speech on the World Wide We…

It feels like reddit changed in line with the rest of the Internet though. In 2022 you have the choice of a) "suppressing free speech" or b) "platforming racists" and there is no middle ground and no way to win. You can't pass the buck to moderators. The choice did not feel so stark in 2005.

Self moderation was and still is a way out. If there were better tools to allow users to say "I don't like this person, I don't want to hear more from then" and "Bill likes this person, maybe I'll hear him out." or "I don't want to deal with this kind of thing in this room, can you talk about it elsewhere"? The tools we have for those things are not nearly as sophisticated as what exists in real life with body language, facial expressions, physical distance, symbols, demeanor, conversation timing, etc. Our tools to self moderate and separate into amicable groups which still permit crossover in real life are much better.

The major problem with most internet platforms is the boundaries and user controls are non existent. Everything is open for everyone to see and no one can control who is in their network. Only a handful of moderators and platforms have control over both visibility and membership/rules, and those controls are limited and primitive.

Feeds which magically select content users are supposed to like and the attempt to eliminate user settings to make platforms more accessible and magical contribute to this problem. Creating effective and easy to use self moderating tools is a difficult enough problem on its own; when you also have to fight a lot of entrenched design philosophy, it's even harder.

Re: Facebook loses users for the first time

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Post by notyourwork »

ahmed_ds wrote: post #121

The fact of the matter is they still have close 2 billion active logins each day. Even if they have settled in matters of user acquisitions they haven't stopped harvesting increasing amounts of profit from each users. I would like to know how the statistics of revenue per user would be from this point on.

I'd like clear qualifying of what a login means. Does that mean I goto facebook.com or open FB app at least once a day? I imagine "daily login" could be artificially inflated in all sorts of ways like having fb.com tab open on my browser and never actually going to it as one example.
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