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Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

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Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

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The relentless number of anti-crypto and anti-web3 articles on HN is tiring. Nobody is forcing anyone to partake in this new technology. Skepticism is healthy, but criticism without being constructive is not. There are clearly _some_ novel ideas in the crypto space, even if you think the state of the community today is not healthy. Thousands of teams are exploring ideas on many different fronts (e.g. L1s, L2s, NFTs).…

I don't support robocall spammers, even if their tech stacks might contain interesting nuggets. At best your typical crypto project is just a planet-destroying unregulated casino, at worst it's criminal fraud. I don't care that it might contain cool tech. The same goes for e.g. ransomware. It might be innovative. It's still a huge blight on humanity.

There is crypto ecosystems that do not use PoW (proof-of-work, ala Bitcoin) but other consensus schemes (most notably proof-of-stake, e.g. Cosmos) that do not destroy the planet.

Unregulated casino with eco-friendly tech is quite nice actually. No government should be able to forbid me to gamble imho.

Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

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Bitcoin and crypto might seem unnecessary in a democracy with a stable currency and it's easy to focus on the scams. But in countries with deeply unstable economies and authoritarian politics, it is a lifeline. Bitcoin has been used by dissidents and activists in places like Cuba, Nigeria, and Belarus. In Russia, the country’s most prominent opposition politician and Putin critic, Alexei Navaly, has raised millions i…

How about how they convert to useable local currency for day to day operations? Off ramps are still guarded unless i'm mistaken.

Even if you are prevented, at least having money in BTC is better than having no money at all.

And there are always workarounds. It wouldn't be impossible to use an exchange in another country, for one.

Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

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post #168

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I find it remarkable that a 2hr18m YouTube documentary that is mostly a guy talking directly to the camera has racked up 1.2m views in 2 days. https://youtu.be/YQ_xWvX1n9g (It's an extremely well presented video, but still!)

Kind of depends what counts as a view (but still, true)

Yeah I'd love to know how many people watched the whole thing!

Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

#205
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't support robocall spammers, even if their tech stacks might contain interesting nuggets. At best your typical crypto project is just a planet-destroying unregulated casino, at worst it's criminal fraud. I don't care that it might contain cool tech. The same goes for e.g. ransomware. It might be innovative. It's still a huge blight on humanity.

Bitcoin and crypto might seem unnecessary in a democracy with a stable currency and it's easy to focus on the scams. But in countries with deeply unstable economies and authoritarian politics, it is a lifeline. Bitcoin has been used by dissidents and activists in places like Cuba, Nigeria, and Belarus. In Russia, the country’s most prominent opposition politician and Putin critic, Alexei Navaly, has raised millions i…

I still don't understand this argument. You have to convert bitcoin into some kind of national fiat currency to actually buy things with it. At that point the government that controls that currency can impose whatever restrictions they want.

ie, in the US, I can't sell bitcoin and withdraw US dollars using coinbase without providing identification documents. The US government will have a record of the transaction that enables them to tax or seize the funds. This seems like it's the case with any government and coin wallet.

Unless Navaly can buy ads or pay staff in bitcoin, what good does the money do him? Given the current volatility of the BTC price at the moment, it seems even less valuable for doing anything practical. He'll have lost 20% of his millions raised just this week.

Can the average Venezuelan buy groceries or pay rent with bitcoin? Don't they need to convert to bolivars at some point to take part in the normal economy? Maybe I just don't understand this and someone can explain it.

Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

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post #29

It’s pretty cool that I can send $1M to someone without a bank intervening, not to mention that nobody can stop the transaction from happening. And then they can print that out onto a sheet a paper and put it into a vault. Crypto is really great if you’re a drug dealer or some other kind of criminal.

...Or want an alternative to corruption.

Cryptocurrency does nothing, nada, zilch, zero to address corruption in any shape. In many ways, it helps corruption, by providing a way to secretly transfer funds.

Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

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post #146

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Bitcoin and crypto might seem unnecessary in a democracy with a stable currency and it's easy to focus on the scams. But in countries with deeply unstable economies and authoritarian politics, it is a lifeline. Bitcoin has been used by dissidents and activists in places like Cuba, Nigeria, and Belarus. In Russia, the country’s most prominent opposition politician and Putin critic, Alexei Navaly, has raised millions i…

> Putin can do a lot of things, but he can't freeze a bitcoin account. He can if he's got the private key.

Even if he can't freeze it, he has access to the public ledger and with some effort can figure out who sent money to whom. Either of those two parties could then get a visit and politely invited to reveal the other.

If you want (more?) anonymous you need Monero or Zerocoin.

Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

#208
post #60

The relentless number of anti-crypto and anti-web3 articles on HN is tiring. Nobody is forcing anyone to partake in this new technology. Skepticism is healthy, but criticism without being constructive is not. There are clearly _some_ novel ideas in the crypto space, even if you think the state of the community today is not healthy. Thousands of teams are exploring ideas on many different fronts (e.g. L1s, L2s, NFTs).…

That's what really bums me out. Both pro-crypto and anti-crypto have become such cults that even as a curious person it's hard to make sense of anything anymore. No matter what side you're on, there's little room for reason or middle-ground.

Yeah, there's problems with cryptocurrency remaining to be solved. Yes, there's shenanigans and scams. Yes, it's not great for the environment (and I cannot wait for a smartass to reply with the word "understatement").

But the technologies surrounding cryptocurrencies can solve problems. It's just that crypto primarily solves trust issues. If you can trust your currency, trust your banks, and trust your payment processors, cryptocurrencies don't do that much for you. Mainline digital banking does a better job than cryptocurrencies currently do. Yet I'm glad that Bitcoin and other coins exist; in an increasingly authoritarian world, such things can be a last resort for those who become "depersoned", and I suspect that one day I'll be depersoned. And if there comes a point where cryptocurrency becomes so perfect that the banks can't compete, then what's there to complain about?

Unfortunately, countless hordes looking to get rich quick have latched on to these things because they're so accessible to anyone with too much time on their hands. The tired word "blockchain" is so abused that upon hearing it I have sadness in me. There's nothing particularly revolutionary about blockchains. A blockchain without a consensus algorithm won't amount to much, but you can have consensus algorithms without necessarily having a blockchain. But blockchain sounds more mysterious to the average person, thus it's the buzzword of favor. You don't even need to know what a blockchain actually is. Just say the word blockchain and you'll be one of the cool people!

A lot of people on the other side of the coin (yuk yuk) don't even have the faintest clue of how cryptocurrencies work or how even traditional fiat currencies work. One guy I was talking to recently said that "if people didn't think they could make money off of Bitcoin, it would be worth absolutely nothing." Effectively, he believed that the value of Bitcoin was entirely in people's perception. He didn't understand that there are a fixed number of Bitcoins, and that it wouldn't be easy to change that number without a majority of the nodes agreeing, and that there are practical reasons why some would want to use Bitcoin over fiat. If anything, fiat currency better fits his mental model. This is not uncommon, in my experience. Very few people actually read anything.

Oh my f---- ----... is every USB power bank a f---- piece of s---??? ARGGG. Sorry, side tangent.

Re: Web3 and crypto skepticism is growing and people are finally starting to listen

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Immutable websites aren't an interesting idea?

No. And, frankly, I'd think anyone with a half-a-brain and 30 seconds to think through the ramifications of such a terrible idea would be able to figure out why.

Then web.archive.org wouldn't exist.
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