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Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by jongisli »

milep wrote: post #173

Oh you US people, I get internal server error when I try to activate account which contains ä character in the full name field... And when trying to change my name from the account page: Display Name can only contain letters, numbers, spaces, or the following characters: -_'.@+ Does this affect the Google account login also, it doesn't work for me either.

Same for me. My google account also has problems. I've already fixed my email for the account with the special characters... am I done for then?

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by MortenK »

barmstrong wrote: post #132
BenSS wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually thought 'Wave for Business' at first glance due to the the more free-form nature.

I thought Pivotal Tracker, but more general.

I only saw a lot of facebook-like streams, avatar pictures and a lot of other bling making it hard to see what's actually going on.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by jrmg »

dfischer wrote: post #102

I'll just leave this here: http://www.kanbanpad.com

Do you work on this?

It looks intriguing to me, and the page does give the impression that it's nicely designed, but I have no idea what it does. Something to do with tasks, and project management, and it "works on mobile too". Maybe I'm expected to know already kanban, what it brings to project management, and how it works?

Watching the Trello video, and browsing around the http://trello.com/ landing page, I immediately have ideas about how I could be using Trello - that's not the case on http://www.kanbanpad.com/.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by jrmg »

jamiemill wrote: post #9

Damn this is pretty similar to the direction my app Wallboardr is taking, except status columns aren't customisable yet. Any thoughts on comparison folks? http://wallboardr.com

The Trello site is written in plain English - it's easy for anyone to think of ways they could use Trello. The Walboardr site is full of 'buzzwords' that make it attractive to a segment of the market ('swimlanes', 'burn-up charts', 'points per status', 'backlog', 'iteration' etc.). Trello looks like it's trying to be a general purpose tool, Wallboardr does not.

Note that this isn't a value judgement - if it's _intended_ to be a niche product that's really appealing to one market segment (so they'd always choose it over e.g. Trello because of its specialization), that could be a good thing.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by rbreve »

milep wrote: post #173

Oh you US people, I get internal server error when I try to activate account which contains ä character in the full name field... And when trying to change my name from the account page: Display Name can only contain letters, numbers, spaces, or the following characters: -_'.@+ Does this affect the Google account login also, it doesn't work for me either.

Python sucks at unicode, maybe they used python, not sure though.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by tzury »

joeyespo wrote: post #112

This looks really cool. I'm excited to try it out, individually and with others. Even better that you can immediately sign up and give it a try. As opposed to Asana, which has similar intentions, but is doing a private beta with larger companies only. Yes, Trello is much easier to get excited about. EDIT Some feedback: so far I really like it. It's intuitive. And it has some nice features out of the box that are lack…

being an asana user for few months, I just registered and used it for a small project.

Quite confusing, not sure which one is better!

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by mehi »

My first impression is that Trello isn't a (good) product (yet) but it will certainly leverage on Joel's marketing machine.

Observations: The organization information should not be public by default. I haven't found a way to delete an organization (is it there?).

The interface is unusable on iPad/mobile.

The card pop-up window is hard to use when there's some actual information attached to it. The bird's eye view is confusing and offers little information.

Activity log grows fast with information I would not need: voting events, add/remove members, etc. Make two activity logs, one with useful information and one with tracking (investigation) information.

In Opera and Chrome the red connection establishing notice appears all the time.

The in/out/public permissions are easy to use, but users may actually need more granularity.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by olavk »

vog wrote: post #190
olavk wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would really like a tool that would allow a spec and development notes to evolve just as a program evolves. It should start out with being as simple and low-overhead to use as a few post-it notes, but as the projects gets bigger it should be possible to impose structure, like categorize notes into functional spec or requirement, user stories etc, prioritize etc.

I believe this is called literate programming (LP), which focuses on real documentation (in the broader sense, including specs, etc) rather than mere API docs. There are quite a lot of LP tools, many of them being independent from the language. However, LP is not about tools. I've written LP programs that don't need any extra tool[1]. Rather, LP is about putting the documentation (spec, requirements, etc) at the high…

That is interesting, and perhaps part of what I am looking for.

But I'm not sure that things like feature proposals, high-level requirements and architecture overviews fits into a literate programming model.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by vog »

olavk wrote: post #208
vog wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe this is called literate programming (LP), which focuses on real documentation (in the broader sense, including specs, etc) rather than mere API docs. There are quite a lot of LP tools, many of them being independent from the language. However, LP is not about tools. I've written LP programs that don't need any extra tool[1]. Rather, LP is about putting the documentation (spec, requirements, etc) at the high…

That is interesting, and perhaps part of what I am looking for. But I'm not sure that things like feature proposals, high-level requirements and architecture overviews fits into a literate programming model.

Why not? For instance, feature proposals are just the previous phase of high-level requirements. And high-level requirements are just the previous phase of (or introduction into) the spec.

I'd think of it as a big documentation where some parts are complete and mature (down to the level of code), while other parts are still in draft (feature proposals).

Or change management: Of course everything should be under version control. And I guess that bug descriptions should still be part of a ticket system or at least the commit messages. But I never understood why feature proposals are discussed more in a discussion-based manner (ticket system) rather than a document-based manner (wiki, or documentation).

Unfortunately, I was never part of a development team which was seriously into LP, so my suggestions are only based on my understanding of LP, and small proof-of-concepts on my own.

I'd love to read about bigger real-world projects which apply LP, or which at least apply some other documentation-driven approach.

Re: Joel Spolsky Launches Trello - Organize Anything Together

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Post by johdex »

icefox wrote: post #160

So I honestly don't get it. Is this a poor mans bug tracker? A possible re-invention of a bug tracker? (something wacky and different version of a bug tracker to see if it sticks?) I have seen people mention project management a bunch, but the view really isn't about viewing what people are doing. In fact items that don't have people assigned to them still show up. The 10 foot view isn't even that good as they all sq…

I am also a bit surprised we are seeing a kanban tool from fogcreek. At work we have used fogbugz + the kanban plugin. Although the kanban plugin does not allow for the same level of fanciness when editing notes, the fact that it is integrated with fogbugz makes it more attractive. I'll take a look at Trello, I suspect the UI may be nicer, especially when accessed from mobile devices.
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