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Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

bArray wrote: post #124

sandworm101 wrote: post #28

I find this to be the most telling stat: "In a few cases (N So roughly 5% (<5 of 84) of the control group were discovered to have themselves been abused and needed to be dropped from the study. I was once in a law lecture on medical ethics. We were discussing genetic testing of newborns and how this could detect incest/abuse. A medical doctor in the class was dead against such testing. In his experience, amongst preg…

> So roughly 5% ( I hope this is accidental bias, or a statistical anomaly. It could be for example that this is overrepresented from the pooled community. I think it would also be important to somehow scale/categorize the level of abuse (physical vs non-physical, penetrative vs non-penetrative, etc). If it really is 5% (1 in 20 girls) then this would outrank something like COVID in terms of importance. > The compari…

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Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by fatbird » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #104

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #97

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If we are removing all jurors who have been abused because they are 'not impartial', aren't we left with a collection of people who are totally ignorant? The jury has to judge how a reasonable person would act in a certain situation, who is lying and who is telling the truth. Off one end, we have victim blamind and rapists walking free, off another end, uk had "serial liar" who invented false rape allegations and sen…

The whole jury system in founded on ignorance. Both sides don't want anyone who was a cop, knows any cops, has studied the law, or was ever arrested. Often, people with any kind of higher education will be dismissed. Last time I went to jury duty they asked anyone who had ever been party to any legal matter to leave. It's pretty wild.

One of my philosophy professors was excluded from jury selection, and happened to run into the lawyer who excluded him shortly after in the bathroom, and asked why. The lawyer said it was because he wrote Philosophical Quarterly on his questionnaire, and that he routinely excludes people like my professor who are highly educated.

Why? my professor asked.

Because you don't listen to the lawyers or the judge, he was told. "Big brain" people try to play Matlock and solve the case themselves, or invent theories in their imagination, or get into absurd arguments in the jury room. They screw up the whole process that's designed to bring a high level of rigour and fairness to the situation--what should and shouldn't be considered, how the law applies, etc. They're wild cards that turn trials into a game of chance instead of an orderly adversarial confrontation that's heavily regulated.

People mock jurors routinely, especially the ones who explain their reasoning in interviews afterwards. But studies routinely find that judges agree with the jury's verdict about 80% of the time.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by 908B64B197 » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 7:59 PM UTC

greenonions wrote: post #101

PaulHoule wrote: post #74

There are many men who suffer through sexless marriages for 20, 30 years or more because their partner was victimized as a child. (I'd assume that some women also have similar problems because their man was abused.) Such a man can work really hard to please and love a woman and try to create feelings of safety. They might blame themselves, thinking that it's because of that argument they had this morning, or yesterda…

It seems rather insensitive to ruminate on future men's loss of sex because of sexual abuse. Perhaps the men in these sexless relationships should analyze if they are capable of sustaining this relationship, considering sex is so important to them and they are not receiving it. This entire comment does not consider the women's suffering and loss in any capacity due to abuse. Maybe it is the case that a similar comple…

> It seems rather insensitive to ruminate on future men's loss of sex because of sexual abuse. > This entire comment does not consider the women's suffering and loss in any capacity due to abuse.

It doesn't indeed.

Because pain isn't a zero-sum game. At a funeral, the grief of a friend doesn't take anything away from the grief of the widow.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by tremon » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 7:59 PM UTC

Mezzie wrote: post #171

tomcam wrote: post #33

Can testify it does a number on male development too

I'd be interested to see this study repeated with male victims. I think each sex has its own issues when sexually victimized: - Females, of course, can get pregnant, and our assaults are more likely to be physically painful. - Males have zero social support and are far more stigmatized for being victimized, and they also have less of a support network/are more isolated than females on average. They also have fewer re…

That's a very unfortunate phrasing. You may want to explicitly add "this study" in your first sentence.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by bluecalm » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:00 PM UTC

resoluteteeth wrote: post #196

onphonenow wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parental testing should be mandatory at birth perhaps for these issues. Or at least if someone is going to go claim child support.

If it was going to be mandatory it would be much better to do it before birth using amniotic fluid. Waiting for the child to be born and then suddenly telling one parent that it's not their biological child isn't a great idea.

Well, it's always the potential father that gets the news not one of the parents. Maybe it's not ideal to tell them once the child is born but it's still better than not telling them at all.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by Der_Einzige » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:02 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #69

tomcam wrote: post #33

Can testify it does a number on male development too

Interestingly, there's another child comment, flagged and dead [edit: it has been resurrected], that says simply, "Sh...no-one cares about men." It's not a great comment, as it lacks substance, but it reflects something real and important. Sexual abuse is to women as police violence is to black people. These classes of people are affected more (far more - perhaps 2x?) than others, but that doesn't mean others aren't…

Even if the kinda of abuse that women experience tend to be far worse in magnitude, men in many parts of america (including myself) are almost universally mutilated at birth. I believe that this is abuse, and the current culture of laughing at circumcision or "intactivists" has led me to agree that no one gives a shit about men or the issues that they experience.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by astura » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:05 PM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #142

lmkg wrote: post #83

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Apparently something similar happened when X-Rays started becoming routine. Doctors X-raying kids saw evidence that so many of them had a history of broken bones from abuse. It took a while for the medical community as a whole to acknowledge that widespread child abuse was actually occurring, and longer to wrangle with the idea that it was something that was within their mandate as doctors to do something about. http…

There is a similar social issue waiting to blow up regarding genetic screening. Estimates are that 10-15% of children are from infidelity

>Estimates are that 10-15% of children are from infidelity

Extremely Misleading, from the studies I've seen these high numbers are percentage of people seeking paternity tests, not from the general public as a whole. If you're seeking a paternity test you already are suspecting infidelity.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by Der_Einzige » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:06 PM UTC

greenonions wrote: post #101

PaulHoule wrote: post #74

There are many men who suffer through sexless marriages for 20, 30 years or more because their partner was victimized as a child. (I'd assume that some women also have similar problems because their man was abused.) Such a man can work really hard to please and love a woman and try to create feelings of safety. They might blame themselves, thinking that it's because of that argument they had this morning, or yesterda…

It seems rather insensitive to ruminate on future men's loss of sex because of sexual abuse. Perhaps the men in these sexless relationships should analyze if they are capable of sustaining this relationship, considering sex is so important to them and they are not receiving it. This entire comment does not consider the women's suffering and loss in any capacity due to abuse. Maybe it is the case that a similar comple…

Dudes who leave sexless marriages are really hurting their partner financially, emotionally, and mentally, so the idea that doing this is not "considering the woman" is asinine.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by Mezzie » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:06 PM UTC

tremon wrote: post #204

Mezzie wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be interested to see this study repeated with male victims. I think each sex has its own issues when sexually victimized: - Females, of course, can get pregnant, and our assaults are more likely to be physically painful. - Males have zero social support and are far more stigmatized for being victimized, and they also have less of a support network/are more isolated than females on average. They also have fewer re…

That's a very unfortunate phrasing. You may want to explicitly add "this study " in your first sentence.

Oh dear God, thank you.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Post by PaulHoule » Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:08 PM UTC

atombum wrote: post #189

PaulHoule wrote: post #114

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I don't know where you get that. The suffering of the woman is real. So is the suffering of the man. It only adds and doesn't subtract. I don't need to reiterate on the suffering of the woman because that is described very well in the article (which i posted!) You're being insensitive, treating me as a man the way that a black person might get treated in the 1950s south USA. Sexual pleasure is one of the great things…

You're not necessarily wrong but it just doesn't feel like the right context to share this perspective, given the subject matter of the OP. This comes off as extremely insensitive and tone deaf to me.

Check your privilege.

Don't assume that I'm automatically insensitive because I am a male. I was the person who submitted this article!

I wasn't planning to say anything about my own situation when I posted it, I felt embarrassed to do so, but also compelled when I saw other people with a viewpoint like yours write vicious insensitive comments that I felt compelled to speak up about. (I wound up posting to the main thread because the comment was deleted)

There is nothing hypothetical about this scenario, it is one that I am living. I have stuck with my wife through thick and thin and I am completely dedicated and want to grow old with her. There are members of my extended family (who I love and am proud to know and would hate to be separated as much as I would from my wife) who had the same experience and suffered dramatically.

Men are continuously told that we need to open up emotionally (my mother-in-law felt that way about her otherwise upstanding husband) but we're always wary that it is another cruel trap where we get punished for showing emotions.