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Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by spatulon »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #71

LG 27GN950 seems like it hits a a lot of the criteria others are discussing. It is not 220 PPI though. 4K IPS at 144Hz (or 120Hz depending on video card) HDR 400 nits It also rotates to portrait mode, has a built in backlight for eyestrain, is essentially borderless- and it's $800-900. Have had it over a year with no issues.

I have this as well, and I like it, but it's quite difficult to find a computer capable of driving it at 4K and 144Hz. You can only do that if your GPU supports DisplayPort Stream Compression. My GeForce 960 does not, so I can only drive it at 95Hz (I'd buy a better GPU, if I could find one...). It doesn't support HDMI 2.1 either, although there's a newer model, the 27GP950-B, that does.

It's kind of funny to me that the limiting factor in high-res, high-refresh-rate display technology is not so much the panels but the bandwidth of the cables and connectors.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by wtallis »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #137
depereo wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPU is a bad example. Models purchased in 2016 cost slightly more than that now, secondhand, after 5 years of usage.

If you take into account pandemic shortages / price inflation, of course. But a current $500 (MSRP) GPU thoroughly spanks a 5 year old $500 GPU. Even my 2 year old Radeon 5700xt is feeling out of date.

A current-generation $500 MSRP GPU is actually selling for no less than $900, and it's not due to inflation or the pandemic—it's due to cryptocurrency.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by washadjeffmad »

minimaul wrote: post #182
washadjeffmad wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't blame you for wanting to remove the Intel innards, but iMacs can already be used as external displays. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204592 Also, you can just spec the panels from Aliexpress most of the time. That's how I got my first Korean Retina IPS display over a decade ago, and I'm doing it again now for a non-standard OLED panel for a project.

Target Display Mode doesn't work on any of the 5K iMacs, from what I understand.

Thanks, I missed that.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

ProZsolt wrote: post #151
ivalm wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am guessing scissors, esp if they get sharpened 2x/day will not last multiple decades (because sharpening an edge removes material).

Not necessarily. You can sharpen a knife(and I assume a scissor) with a sharpening steel. Which won't remove any material just straighten the edge.

Honing is different than sharpening. Sharpening removes material, like a pencil. Honing merely aligns material.

A honing steel doesn't remove material, a sharpening steel does.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by mastazi »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #96
urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

Some work tools get treated like capital or heirloom and some get treated like consumables . Scissors or a hand plane are decent "heirloom" items. Potentially you can retire with the same one you started with, or pass them down. Electric drills start to lean toward consumable. Battery tech changes over the years and they do wear out in non-fixable ways. Screen and computer tech advances so fast that 5 years is a "goo…

> the same thing everyone else gets 30-50% cheaper 1 year later.

This is very true. I just got a previous-generation top-of-the-line CPU and GPU. It's way more power than I will ever need and if I went for latest gen I could have afforded barely mid-level for the same price[1]. Even taking into account the fact that latest gen is faster, I still got better performance for dollar (20-30% better depending on benchmarks).

[1] With regards to the CPU I'm factoring in the saving of not having to buy a new motherboard.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

neither_color wrote: post #194
querulous wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the problem with the apple xdr display isn't just the price though. it's not a good monitor for a lot of users. it's limited to 60hz, it's response time is really poor, it suffers from really obvious blooming and bleed at high brightness and it has bad off axis color accuracy and brightness. sure, if you care deeply about color accuracy and 6k resolution it's pretty good. these aren't the only metrics on which monito…

I didnt realize it's only 60hz, that's pretty bad. You can get 4K gaming monitors that do 120hz for under $1000, even if the monitor itself looks dorky it's a very comfortable viewing experience scaled to 2560x1440 high density.

I just got a 32”, 4K, 120hz monitor for $1000.

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by late2part »

jstx1 wrote: post #77
urthor wrote: post #73

> Ridiculous Option: Apple Pro Display XDR I'll admit, a monitor that costs more than my first car is beyond affordable for 99% of the population. But saying that, many of the people reading this are pulling truly exotic salaries right now. After devoting untold hours to reaching the top of their profession. Let's say you're a professional earning $300k plus in software. You're often working 100% remote, using your m…

> I just find that's truly not an unlikely situation to be in. Uhm, I would say that fully remote $300k+ jobs are still unlikely.

fully remote is not a benefit for most serious programmers, it's a choice.

I know many dozens of engineers that work fully remote and make >> $300k.

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

ProZsolt wrote: post #158
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #134

My utterly unrealistic dream is: now that the first batch of 5k iMacs is approaching “old age,” some business would start selling kits than had the tools and instructions necessary to gut old iMacs, and a new controller board that would convert the remaining screens to basic DisplayPort displays. At $300 and around $500 for an old iMac on eBay, this could be somehow both more economical and likely more reliable than…

I assume they use eDP[1] internally so it wont be that har to convert them to a monitor[2] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#eDP [2]: https://hackaday.com/2019/07/18/put-those-ipad-displays-to-w...

It’s been done, I just don’t have the know-how to acquire the parts or properly do the soldering. I need a kit that says “throw away this, plug in here.” https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/26/apple-5k-display-do-it-yourse...

Re: The state of external retina displays

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Post by [deleted] »

washadjeffmad wrote: post #175
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #134

My utterly unrealistic dream is: now that the first batch of 5k iMacs is approaching “old age,” some business would start selling kits than had the tools and instructions necessary to gut old iMacs, and a new controller board that would convert the remaining screens to basic DisplayPort displays. At $300 and around $500 for an old iMac on eBay, this could be somehow both more economical and likely more reliable than…

I wouldn't blame you for wanting to remove the Intel innards, but iMacs can already be used as external displays. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204592 Also, you can just spec the panels from Aliexpress most of the time. That's how I got my first Korean Retina IPS display over a decade ago, and I'm doing it again now for a non-standard OLED panel for a project.

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Re: The state of external retina displays

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ProZsolt wrote: post #151
ivalm wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am guessing scissors, esp if they get sharpened 2x/day will not last multiple decades (because sharpening an edge removes material).

Not necessarily. You can sharpen a knife(and I assume a scissor) with a sharpening steel. Which won't remove any material just straighten the edge.

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