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Re: Wish HN: Happy Holidays

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Post by muzani »

greeklish wrote: post #148
jader201 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Kinda makes you wonder why other communities haven’t been able to reproduce the level of quality and civility (I know HN is still far from perfect, but night and day vs. other platforms). A great community to be a part of, and much appreciation to those that oversee and contribute to the high quality and respectful discussions.

On HN there's the process of shadowbanning entire users accounts. By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too. Since I was a teenager, in the vBulletin v3+ forums era, I've wanted to develop an access control / rate limiting system where moderators would be responsible for categorizing posts depending on the contents of the submitted posts and the…

I regularly "report" behaving shadowbanned people. If someone has gone a while only saying productive things, the system unbans them.

On the other hand, I'm surprised how profilic certain people are. They get absolutely no feedback, but will go around trolling people several times a day.

Re: Wish HN: Happy Holidays

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Post by srcreigh »

gibspaulding wrote: post #168
jader201 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Kinda makes you wonder why other communities haven’t been able to reproduce the level of quality and civility (I know HN is still far from perfect, but night and day vs. other platforms). A great community to be a part of, and much appreciation to those that oversee and contribute to the high quality and respectful discussions.

There are lots of specific things one could mention - moderation, text focus, down voting, etc, but I think unfortunately the big differentiator is that (as far as I know) HN doesn't make money.

Rather, the way HN makes money (helping YC founders advertise and hire) are aligned with the interests of the community.

Re: Wish HN: Happy Holidays

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Post by dang »

muzani wrote: post #201
greeklish wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On HN there's the process of shadowbanning entire users accounts. By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too. Since I was a teenager, in the vBulletin v3+ forums era, I've wanted to develop an access control / rate limiting system where moderators would be responsible for categorizing posts depending on the contents of the submitted posts and the…

I regularly "report" behaving shadowbanned people. If someone has gone a while only saying productive things, the system unbans them. On the other hand, I'm surprised how profilic certain people are. They get absolutely no feedback, but will go around trolling people several times a day.

We have to unban accounts manually, though users of course can still vouch for their comments in the meantime, which is basically a per-post unban mechanism.

If anyone notices an account that is banned that shouldn't be banned, they're welcome to let us know at hn@ycombinator.com. We don't want anyone to be banned if they've fixed whatever the original issue was and are abiding by the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).

Re: Wish HN: Happy Holidays

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Post by dang »

greeklish wrote: post #148
jader201 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Kinda makes you wonder why other communities haven’t been able to reproduce the level of quality and civility (I know HN is still far from perfect, but night and day vs. other platforms). A great community to be a part of, and much appreciation to those that oversee and contribute to the high quality and respectful discussions.

On HN there's the process of shadowbanning entire users accounts. By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too. Since I was a teenager, in the vBulletin v3+ forums era, I've wanted to develop an access control / rate limiting system where moderators would be responsible for categorizing posts depending on the contents of the submitted posts and the…

When an account has an established history, we nearly always tell them we're banning them and why:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

We only use shadowbanning when an account is new and shows signs of spamming, trolling, or serial abuse.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

> By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too.

That's why we added the vouching feature many years ago: so users can identify and restore the valuable comments made by banned accounts. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch.

Re: Wish HN: Happy Holidays

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Post by rumblerock »

jader201 wrote: post #129
chongli wrote: post #47

I’d just like to take a moment to say how much I appreciate HN and all the work put in by dang and the moderation team. Everyone here really cares about keeping discussions lively and respectful. This is a wonderful community to be a part of! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!

Agreed. Kinda makes you wonder why other communities haven’t been able to reproduce the level of quality and civility (I know HN is still far from perfect, but night and day vs. other platforms). A great community to be a part of, and much appreciation to those that oversee and contribute to the high quality and respectful discussions.

I think the fact that the primary topics here are niche and therefore self selecting plays a big role - vs. open platforms (Reddit) that are not only much larger but low effort discovery wise. For me car forums still have that sense of community that is here as well, albeit a completely different topic and a vestige of the 00s design-wise.

Re: Wish HN: Happy Holidays

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Post by boogies »

greeklish wrote: post #148
jader201 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Kinda makes you wonder why other communities haven’t been able to reproduce the level of quality and civility (I know HN is still far from perfect, but night and day vs. other platforms). A great community to be a part of, and much appreciation to those that oversee and contribute to the high quality and respectful discussions.

On HN there's the process of shadowbanning entire users accounts. By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too. Since I was a teenager, in the vBulletin v3+ forums era, I've wanted to develop an access control / rate limiting system where moderators would be responsible for categorizing posts depending on the contents of the submitted posts and the…

> By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too.

That's why showdead is great! (The checkbox in your profile to unhide flagged and other 'killed' posts.) Not clear on if it unhides IP banned posters though. And I would like to try a forum that let you toggle it by category (IIUC Slashdot has post categories, though it peaked before my time and I don't know if they're used for that).

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