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Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by kaba0 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #172
kaba0 wrote: post #154

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The thing is, I’m not sure your laptop is better than an M1, let alone the newer gen ones. Apple is really ahead in the CPU game and I say that as someone who was never there fan.

It doesn't have to be better than an M1 when it's under half the price. It needs to fulfill my needs with minimum compromises, which it does admirably. The limitations of the Apple HW, OS and ecosystem would nullify any performance benefits the M1 could ever bring for me (A Ferrari might be the fastest car on the road but if I need a 4x4 to get to the top of the mountain where my work or leisure is, then owning a Fer…

My biggest gripe with laptops have been the battery life. They were basically glorified PCs with like few hours inside them when not plugged in.

This is solved by the M1, that’s all I say. Your laptop is still much more expensive than a significantly better desktop PC.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

kaba0 wrote: post #201
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to be better than an M1 when it's under half the price. It needs to fulfill my needs with minimum compromises, which it does admirably. The limitations of the Apple HW, OS and ecosystem would nullify any performance benefits the M1 could ever bring for me (A Ferrari might be the fastest car on the road but if I need a 4x4 to get to the top of the mountain where my work or leisure is, then owning a Fer…

My biggest gripe with laptops have been the battery life. They were basically glorified PCs with like few hours inside them when not plugged in. This is solved by the M1, that’s all I say. Your laptop is still much more expensive than a significantly better desktop PC.

>My biggest gripe with laptops have been the battery life. They were basically glorified PCs with like few hours inside them when not plugged in.

Online reviews show multiple laptops with near full-day battery life (>8h) exist if you do some googling, so that's almost a non-issue ATM if that's your main concern.

>Your laptop is still much more expensive than a significantly better desktop PC.

Of course it is, but so what? I need a laptop, not a desktop.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by terafo »

vbezhenar wrote: post #163
terafo wrote: post #32

While it's obvious that within two years every GPU manufacturer is going to release MCM offering to the consumer market I'm surprised by a fact that Apple, of all companies, actually might deliver first consumer(actually more prosumer with their pricing) MCM GPU to the market. I think two M1 Max dies, if overclocked, actually can beat 3090 in most tasks and take performance crown if they release it this spring. Nvidi…

Can it mine like Nvidia?

It definitely can, but it will not be price efficient since you can buy 3090 for 3k$ and that's the price of macbook pro with single m1 max chip.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by vbezhenar »

terafo wrote: post #203
vbezhenar wrote: post #163

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Can it mine like Nvidia?

It definitely can, but it will not be price efficient since you can buy 3090 for 3k$ and that's the price of macbook pro with single m1 max chip.

Hypothetical mac minis with m1 max might be of interest in that regard.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by phyalow »

minimaul wrote: post #189
phyalow wrote: post #179

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I literally just dropped £4,099 on a fully loaded MacBook Pro 16" with those specs. I could not be happier. Its going to be a great daily driver for many years to come. Also the construction is A+ and solid, makes my 2015 MacBook Pro feel cheap in comparison.

I spent about £3k on a 14" with 1TB and 32G and I'm very very happy with it - the experience is just ridiculously better than the older 15" MBP I had - or any of the x86 laptops I've used recently too - it has a good screen, a reasonable keyboard, a good touchpad, it's much faster, quieter, has better battery life, and is more portable without losing a lot of screen space.

Fantastic, enjoy it.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by hbbio »

marcan_42 wrote: post #40
LeonM wrote: post #22

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Don't get your expectations up too high. My ThinkPad X1E has horrible battery life under Linux, and has a boatload of issues with thunderbolt, the external dock, HDMI port, audio and WiFi. For example: when my Thinkpad goes standby with an external monitor attached via TB, some ACPI interrupt goes insane and starts burning 100% CPU resources. USB ports regularly don't work after stand-by. BMC support seems problemati…

> My ThinkPad X1E has horrible battery life under Linux I ran the M1 Pro for a whole day during early testing without charging (because we hadn't initialized the USB-C port yet) and didn't even run out of battery. And I didn't even have the power management driver running yet. > has a boatload of issues with thunderbolt We'll see how that goes, but I get the feeling Apple's Thunderbolt controllers are going to be a l…

Your work, and even your answers here are really awesome. We can feel your passion for the project: the M1s are fantastic hardware and you and the Asahi team will enable all of us to tweak them as we wish.

Just joined the Patreon and hope many others will do it too!

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by biomcgary »

2fast4you wrote: post #139
specialist wrote: post #105

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Totally. I'm not the target audience for Asahi as a daily driver. But I've used Linux to repurpose (life extension) my older macs. So this work is fills me with joy and appreciation. Also, the comparison of A14 and M1 (aka "A14X") gives me hope that I can eventually repurpose my old iPads and iPhones. There was an iPodLinux project, back in the day. I have no idea what the options are today.

Once asahi is stable, I would seriously consider buying a MacBook to use as my daily driver

The final element of my decision to buy my first MacBook (after being very anti-Apple for years) was the existence of Asahi.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by specialist »

smoldesu wrote: post #114
specialist wrote: post #103

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> ...the ARM in Macs is on a different trajectory than Intel Agreed. Yes and: I'd like more analysis and punditry (predictions) comparing SoC offerings from Apple, Intel, AMD, etc. Especially wrt Apple's anticipated consumer features and markets, like AR/VR, video chat, integrated Apple Pay, whatever. For instance, I want to hear more about Apple Silicon's codecs. More about biometrics UX (Face ID, Touch ID). I think…

> While Apple Silicon is probably fine for server, I don't anticipate Apple caring, leaving those segments to existing cloud providers, eg Amazon's Graviton. It mostly comes down to the supply chain, from what I can see. Apple is already pushing their luck with the 5nm node, their current strategy is pretty much just keeping everyone else off the cutting edge technology so they can monopolize TSMC's manufacturing cho…

Ya. I know this is true. Monospony. Constant jockeying around the supply chain for advantage.

Piqued, I briefly poked around trying to find absolute number of chips everyone produces, fab capacity, forecasts. Much like The Limiting Factor and others do for Li-ion batteries. No joy.

Re: Asahi Linux for M1 Macs Progress October-November 2021

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Post by phh »

marcan_42 wrote: post #195
monocasa wrote: post #157

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The rpi4 has some power management via the mailbox interface to the videocore, but it's just hacked on to the side and is more of an example of how not do things IMO. Particularly how it's exposed to user space is real gross (basically raw mailbox calls). It's closer to the primitives that psci or acpi would be papering over.

It's honestly a bit amusing how many people have been doubting how good Asahi can get without official support, but then you look at "officially supported" platforms like Raspberry Pi and so much stuff is barely held together with string and kernel forks... Honestly, those Broadcom chips are crazier to support than th M1s, and the rPi foundation don't exactly have much of an upstream-first reputation... so I'm quite…

Yup, rpi being the the "most acclaimed" SBC Linux platform shows that even in our midst marketing is everything, while other SBC have actual full opensource full mainline for every components (both for first boot stages, and EL3) support from SoC vendor.
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