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Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by garbagecoder »

mdoms wrote: post #79
westcort wrote: post #35

Microsoft has not added any functionality to their operating system or applications since 1998–only bloat to keep up with the need to create a need for faster processors. I can’t think of one thing I can do in the Microsoft Office suite I couldn’t do 20 years ago. It’s just slower.

> Microsoft has not added any functionality to their operating system or applications since 1998 This is simply absolute nonsense. Are you really contending that no real functionality has been added to Windows since Windows NT? I know HN loves to hate Microsoft but are we really upvoting this crap?

He’s wrong about the OS, but it’s not far from the truth with Office.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by userbinator »

seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

That sounds disturbingly similar to what they did to the Calculator in Windows 10.

I'm curious what the difference in binary size is between the two, and with the one in Windows 10 (which does have some enhancements compared to previous versions, but the same good old UI.)

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by grouphugs »

i will most likely never be able to use windows 11 in my life time, i am too poor. basically this past half a decade for me is saying good-bye to modern technology as it's solely for wealthy white people. good-bye nazis, have fun with the apocalypse

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by userbinator »

csee wrote: post #181

They added much more whitespace. In line with modern UI fashion trends. Please can we stop this trend? It's ridiculous. It universally makes the user experience worse by reducing the effective screen real estate for actual work. Nobody cares about the aesthetic, they get used to it after a few session.

More whitespace and even worse, no borders. It looks incomplete and empty.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by derefr »

ng-user wrote: post #19

It's crazy to me that Windows 11 has already been released and yet they're still adding what should be core functionality to the OS as an after thought. If they are so set on redesigning Notepad and/or all system apps to use the new design style, why would those not be prioritized and included in the original release from day 1?

The key term is “inbox apps.” Notepad is now one of them. An inbox app is a Microsoft Store app that happens to be pre-installed (it ships “in-box.”)

As such, Notepad, like other inbox apps, is now decoupled from the release cycle of Windows. It’s just some arbitrary app, that happens to be made by Microsoft, and happens to come with Windows.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by derefr »

pndy wrote: post #175
ng-user wrote: post #19

It's crazy to me that Windows 11 has already been released and yet they're still adding what should be core functionality to the OS as an after thought. If they are so set on redesigning Notepad and/or all system apps to use the new design style, why would those not be prioritized and included in the original release from day 1?

Operating system for majority of users are feature complete for years and for most common tasks it would make no difference if work would be done on Windows, macOS or some Linux distribution. Perhaps the preexisting familiarity with a particular OS would be the only factor determining how comfortably user get the job done. But it can be done anywhere. Emoji or gif support in desktop OS, sidebars or notification cente…

> Emoji support in desktop OS

Are you suggesting that a desktop OS shouldn’t support an input method for standardized Unicode characters? That would be incredibly annoying. Especially if you’re a developer working on programs that are supposed to handle said characters.

> Operating system for majority of users are feature complete for years

(Good) UI scaling support? Dynamic refresh-rate support? eGPU support? Thunderbolt? Support for modern biometric authenticators like Windows Hello? Support for booting off a portable volume? Handwriting recognition in arbitrary apps? Basically 80% of accessibility features being finally pushed down into older software (with “dark mode” as a side effect)?

Yes, none of these things are from Windows 11, but none of them are more than 10 years old, either. People forget how many extremely recent OS features have immediately become table stakes to be taken completely for granted. (And this process is continuous. I’m sure there’s some accessibility feature being added to computers only today, that will enable people who never were able to use computers before to do so.)

Try using a modern Bluetooth gamepad with Windows XP / OSX10.6 / Linux 2.6 / other “perfect” OS versions some time. Even if you can get it to connect, it won’t even recognize all the buttons, because old APIs had hard limits on assumed number of buttons!

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by thrower123 »

kymaz wrote: post #200
Tempest1981 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't UWP/WinUI render using DirectX? What makes it so slow?

I'd like to know this too-- my music player has a few different rendering options for one on screen view, GDI has always used fewer gpu and cpu resources than direct2d and direct3d in 7 and 10 so far?

When I tried to do some Direct2D a few years ago it was a disastrous API and far slower than old GDI.

The "Disable hardware acceleration" setting, when present, still frequently makes all sorts of desktop software run faster and less buggy.

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