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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by antisthenes »

jjoonathan wrote: post #185
dragonwriter wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? Well, “always” seems like an exaggeration; consumer monitors were far beyond 480i before consumer TVs were. > It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. That’s not monitors being behind in tech, that’s TVs being cheaper because of economies of scale and opportuni…

Scale and ads are plausible explanations for why monitors are behind in tech, but they're still behind in tech.

What a weird nonsensical statement.

Monitors and TVs are manufactured with the same "tech", just to different specifications to fit their desired purpose/niche, and to capture the maximum possible value from that market.

You could maybe make an argument that Samsung panel tech is behind LG's or something, since companies have separate R&D labs and actually have different technology, but in order to do so you'd have to be an industry expert.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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yupper32 wrote: post #52

Why don't people like their Smart TVs? I've had a 4k smart TV for years and love it. Being able to stream without needing my phone is great. It seems ironic that people are complaining about smart TV ads while the [2] link in the OP has an absolutely MASSIVE video ad that takes up 2/3s of the screen. And it's not like you're not being tracked when you stream from a Roku stick / Chromecast. Edit: I have a 4k Samsung t…

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by Wistar »

mjcohen wrote: post #186
Wistar wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a nice NEC 220" display. Helpfully, BH offers monthly payments. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1533261-REG/nec_led_f...

$317,999.00 $13250/mo. suggested payments with 24 Mos. Promo Financing* Learn More Important Notice This item is noncancelable and nonreturnable.

Well… it is 18ft diagonally. Of course, you need a place capable of housing such a thing.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by antisthenes »

jjoonathan wrote: post #127
bsedlm wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? because there's more money to be made selling TVs than monitors? consequentely, it's TV manufacturers pushing the entire display maker industry ahead? and so they get the newer tech first??

That's what I suspect, yes, but if that's the case it feels like integrating a monitor manufacturer would be a quick and easy business win for the TV guys.

> it feels like integrating a monitor manufacturer would be a quick and easy business win for the TV guys.

What does this even mean? The same companies that make panels for monitors usually make panels for the TVs as well. They already have production facilities that can manufacture panel sizes ranging from cell-phone size to 200" commercial wall panels.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by jjoonathan »

ansible wrote: post #200
jjoonathan wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The panels have the advertised resolution, but yes, for "smart" TVs you always have to figure out how to turn off the gross sharpening/compression filters that they use to win the Great Best Buy Screensaver Battle. It can be done, though, and certainly if the manufacturer wanted to omit them in a monitor offering it could.

Two of the most important settings: Game mode. This turns off most/all the image processing, which greatly increases the lag. Overscan. Also turn it off. This zooms in the picture a little to crop out artifacts around the edge.

^ This.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by jiveturkey »

cronix wrote: post #173

All TV's are dumb tv's if you only use them as an external display/monitor and don't connect them to the net. I have a dedicated computer for a media center and just use HDMI1 input on the TV. Never enter menus. Never update the OS. Never agree to anything. Never let the TV "phone home." Never set up wifi. Never connect a CAT5 to it. Set the input using the remote and forget it. Treat it as a dumb monitor. Computer i…

not all. some require a network connection at least to get started. some find an open network and connect "for you"

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Post by badRNG »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #15

Not that I know of, there are however 4K 'digital signage' displays which are an industrial product. They are the monitors you see in kiosks etc. Be prepared to pay a pretty penny for them however. The last time I checked a 65" digital signage display was roughly 5x the cost of a similarly sized television. Also note they may have an HDMI implementation that is 'cheap' and doesn't implement the CLEC protocols or HDCP…

>The last time I checked a 65" digital signage display was roughly 5x the cost of a similarly sized television.

The question then is why would any company pay 5x for a device without smart functionality? Does that mean there's now a market for buying smart TVs, stripping out the "smart" tech, and reselling at, say, a 4x markup?

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Post by ssully »

alx__ wrote: post #197
cronix wrote: post #173

All TV's are dumb tv's if you only use them as an external display/monitor and don't connect them to the net. I have a dedicated computer for a media center and just use HDMI1 input on the TV. Never enter menus. Never update the OS. Never agree to anything. Never let the TV "phone home." Never set up wifi. Never connect a CAT5 to it. Set the input using the remote and forget it. Treat it as a dumb monitor. Computer i…

Yes, the key being never let it connect to the internet

I would check what TV you have and what patches are available. I have a smart Sony TV, but I've only connected it to a network twice to get patches. I did so once because it fixed an audio issue that was very annoying.

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Post by illegalsmile »

ptmcc wrote: post #62
yupper32 wrote: post #52

Why don't people like their Smart TVs? I've had a 4k smart TV for years and love it. Being able to stream without needing my phone is great. It seems ironic that people are complaining about smart TV ads while the [2] link in the OP has an absolutely MASSIVE video ad that takes up 2/3s of the screen. And it's not like you're not being tracked when you stream from a Roku stick / Chromecast. Edit: I have a 4k Samsung t…

Many/most of the built-in interfaces of smart TVs are slow, buggy, and ad/tracker-ridden and have a limited upgrade path, if any. Since there are effectively no dumb TVs on the market anymore, I bought a fancy Sony TV with AndroidTV built-in, hoping that'd it'd be decent enough to use out of the box. Nope. Slow, laggy, and some of the big name streaming apps from the app store just plain don't work. Also when the TV…

I recently bought the latest Sony OLED and find that AndroidTV works just fine for netflix/hulu/hbo/apple/etc...
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