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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by Jap2-0 »

thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

> considering they only work 9/12 months

I think many teachers (almost all that I know, and all of the good ones) would disagree with you on that. Lesson planning, training/continuing education, scheduling, etc.

> many of them find side jobs

..why?

That is to say, I'm sure most people on here could get a side job if they wanted to. Is there a reason why teachers get side jobs and, say, programmers don't? (Yes, that's a rhetorical question.)

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by fortran77 »

thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

Schoolteacher pensions in CA are worth millions, and they’re not taxed on the imputed value of this wealth. Also in CA they qualify for BMR housing, another untaxed benefit. And in CA they don’t pay SS tax.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by rajup »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #173
Gentil wrote: post #93

I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

> But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. This might be more indicative of your bubble than anything. Facebook isn’t having a hard time hiring, despite whatever the headlines are trying to imply. There will always be a steady stream of applicants for high paying FAANG jobs. Being able to choose exactly which ultra-high-paying tech job you take or being able to wal…

Exactly this. It is fascinating to see this bubble on HN, when on the outside I know there are tons of friends and acquaintances who are happy to get a call from recruiters, happy to land a job and happy to work there.

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Post by short12 »

thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

> many of them find side jobs

This might just be a Midwest thing but those sidejobs typically involve something drinking related

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by rajup »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #168
_fat_santa wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook's biggest problem in the next few years is going to be that it will struggle to attract new talent. Simply put if you're a senior SWE, even the possibility of FB putting a stain on your resume is going to drive you away, because there are so many other options out there. It's not worth the risk of always having to explain your time there because everyone has an opinion on the company these days. It's not tha…

Facebook may be a dying company, slowly slowly slowly on the IBM timescale. Facebook is definitely on the downslide. They staved off facebook's slide by successfully picking the next social network in instagram, but now that is probably going to lose its shine. If Tiktok is the next #1... That can't be easily acquired due to Chinese ownership... They'll try the "metaverse" but man that is a big leap, and they are alr…

I'm sorry to break your fantasy, but FB is nowhere close to dying like IBM by pretty much any metric you can choose (apart from perception by random folks on the internet which frankly does not count for much).

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Post by saurik »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #199
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

"I found it interesting that only half their job offers are taken up, that's super surprising to me." It is not surprising if the goal is not to fill vacancies or expanding needs, but to prevent competing companies from having these people at their disposal. There will be enough offers to cover every possible person who could do this computer-focused work that might go to work for a competitor. Another explanation is…

You are interpreting this to mean "positions", but "offers" normally means a specific person was told "congratulations: we've agreed to hire you! here is what we will pay... are you in?" and so it does seem very strange that half of such offers are being rejected (and then implies the thought process explained of maybe people interviewing for multiple jobs and half the time choosing someone other than Facebook). (I honestly don't know which is "correct" for what is actually happening, but I noticed the disconnect between your two comments.)

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Post by dmead »

grp000 wrote: post #200
jd115 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook's legal troubles are certainly not imaginary. They are actual, they are ongoing, they are overwhelming and there's more and more coming out all the time. Zuck and Thiel themselves are named as defendents on multiple very serious lawsuits which money alone could not spare them from (and not for lack of trying - untold billions have been spent in the past 5 years to ensure Zuck's name didn't show up on lawsuit…

I haven't been following FB, and wasn't aware that Zuckerberg could be liable for more than financial penalties. Is it regarding Cambridge Analytics? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/20/tech...

he's talking about how they may have misrepresented the business of the company to investors. the SEC has ongoing stuff about this.

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Post by rajup »

lmilcin wrote: post #188
throwaway47292 wrote: post #183

The bubble we (hn) live in, is turning against fb/google/evil corp for various reasons, but the truth is, like any corp they will have ups and downs, if this meta shit pays out (fortnite skins for 2 billion people is basically infinite money) they will just buy their way out. Or they will buy the devs in another way, like apple is buying them indirectly for 30% commission on their apps. Worse case, you get survivor b…

The trouble for FB is that best developers have free choice of where they are going to work. Yes, when you need to pay your bills and FB is going to pay a shit ton of money, most people will rationalize, bend and accept FB's offer. But when people have basically free choice of where they can work this is when most of them actually start paying attention to non-financial aspects of their decision. FB's model requires…

You say "free choice" like companies are just throwing out job offers for free. They do not and you can find tons of posts on here complaining about how the interview process sucks, does not measure true capability etc, etc. Many people may just not have the time to grind Leetcode juggling a job to pay bills, kids and family. Sorry, but this "free choice" argument is bunk IMHO.

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Post by rhexs »

lovich wrote: post #186
thawSeh6s2p wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Loads of people become nurses and teachers because they want to help people, even though they don't get paid much I know it's not the primary point of the post, but define "much". An RN makes around 80k on average, they're also hourly and can generally pick up overtime whenever they want. Nurse anesthetists make double that at minimum, practitioners are north of 120k. It may not be as much as a FAANG position but I…

I thought teachers spent much of the summer break maintaining certifications and incorporating new school regulations into their lesson plans for the next year. I don’t think it’s a 3 month break for them

Most teachers absolutely do get a 3 month break. They’ll have a few workshops at most.

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Post by loeg »

pedrosorio wrote: post #55
lordnacho wrote: post #32

I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

> only half their job offers are taken up, that's super surprising to me It would be interesting to get some stats on this. But the common advice when applying for jobs is to "get competing offers" so you can negotiate. I wouldn't be surprised if people who are getting offers at FB, can get a few very high quality offers at other places as well.

Yeah. Are these the real numbers or the gamed ones?

All of FANG seems to play this game where they will not send you a formal offer until you informally accept their informal offer. All to juice the “percent accepted” numbers and to make it marginally harder to play competing offers off each other.

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