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Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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add &fromSearchBar=false to the end of the search, so the search string looks like this: https://you.com/search?q=%s&fromSearchBar=false

that's it. very easy if you're technical. of course, we don't want to block our users. we are just trying to make it convenient and easy to have navbar searches - we found that if you're not in the navbar yngmi..

I'm not going to tell you your business, but you're not improving your 'making it' quotient by adding a piece of middleware to the process.

At best, it's subtly hostile. At worst, it's highly annoying and increases my threat surface by introducing Yet Another Browser Extension that is exceedingly vulnerable to supply chain attacks.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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post #180

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add &fromSearchBar=false to the end of the search, so the search string looks like this: https://you.com/search?q=%s&fromSearchBar=false

that's it. very easy if you're technical. of course, we don't want to block our users. we are just trying to make it convenient and easy to have navbar searches - we found that if you're not in the navbar yngmi..

> very easy if you're technical. of course, we don't want to block our users. we are just trying to make it convenient and easy to have navbar searches

FWIW this comes off as very hollow. Your responses elsewhere seem to suggest you are doing this because you think you need the level of stickiness installing an extension implies to compete with Google (presumably to build out a small but fervent base of initial users who use you.com fanatically) and you therefore need to forcefully prod users into installing the extension. Therefore you're intentionally putting in friction on the casual usage path to really capture that initial core audience.

That sounds fine to me if stated like that. The way you stated it here leaves a bad taste in my mouth, akin to when some companies give extremely flowery, ostensibly user-centric justifications for why prices are being raised (the answer is the company doesn't think its current profits are high enough, and often won't survive with the lower prices, which is reason enough, not anything to do with helping users directly).

You're a startup. You need to get a core group of sticky users and you're introducing friction to do that. I understand that. You don't need to justify it in other language.

EDIT: Removed "cloak" and replaced with "justify" because that's rather unfair of me to say it was cloaking.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Yea... Requiring the extension for navbar searches was a tough choice. You actually can try it out in incognito mode and any other browser. But we found that without the convenience of a navbar search, most people won't give it a proper try either way. I hope we can drop this requirement even in Chrome when we become one of the default options. We will implement an a/b test and see if we can get rid of the requiremen…

Is there a way for me to use it without omnibar integration? I'd really prefer to leave my search engine as-is...

https://you.com/search?q=stuff

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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It does strike me as odd that is private but I need to install a chrome extension to use it and there is a prominent 'Sign up' button on the top right corner. I am also struggling to understand why the need to install a chrome extension to see search results. Feels like a lot of users will get lost on this first funnel step.

You don't need the extension or sign up to use the search engine, just type into the search bar on the top of the page.

What is raising red flags for me is this part of the FAQ:

> How does You.com make money? > We are currently focused on building the best possible search experience. We will explore monetization ideas in the future and look forward to your feedback in that process.

So they don't have a monetization strategy yet, and they expect you to sign up and install a browser extension? That's a recipe for disaster right there.

This looks promising, but until the monetization situation is figured out, I'm going to avoid giving them any access to my information.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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While this is a thing I'd very much like to try I make a point out of not using Chrome && badgering everyone who tries to force me to use it. Had to use it the other day to verify if a particular bug at a customer system was Firefox-specific (as usual it wasn't) but it meant a four months streak or so was wasted :-/ So no, while this is really interesting it still has to be even more interesting for me to allow that…

Hey there, Yea... You'd actually get rid of the biggest spyware - Google ;) Our extension is 33kB and has not other function than changing your default (and checking if the extension itself is installed). You actually can try it out in incognito mode and any other browser. But we found that without the convenience of a navbar search, most people won't give it a proper try either way. I hope we can drop this requireme…

I hear what you've posted about competing with a $2t competitor but I'm not installing an extension and changing default search engine just to try your service out. Even going incognito or using another browser is more effort than reasonable to play around. Put a banner at the top requesting the change but blocking users? That's just unfriendly and puts me off from the start.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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I found your pitch really interesting, I'd love to try it. I, however, refuse to install an extension and change my default search engine just to be allowed to type in a search query. I'm sure you have some "growth hacking" reason for this that is compelling to you. Maybe you hope that the slight annoyance of switching back will outweigh the inevitable annoyances with a new product like this. It does come off as user…

Yea it is weird. It claims privacy and then wants you to install an extension just to do a search ? No thanks.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Hey. Yea. We struggle with the extension -> navbar search requirement also. We have found that if you're not the default engine that is easily accessible from the Navbar, you will not be able to break the Google monopoly. We also found that many people will just do a quick search for "asd" or "weather" and then leave because those searches aren't really differentiated (and just can't really be). Our extension is 33kB…

In my opinion, the fact that all your extension does is change the setting is worse, not better. It's purely a user-hostile choice.

Why? Explain.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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I strongly second this. I immediately gave up on trying it out once I realized I had to download something. Your KPIs should be around how sticky your search features are, it seems like it is currently based on download counts.

Hey. Yea. We struggle with the extension -> navbar search requirement also. We have found that if you're not the default engine that is easily accessible from the Navbar, you will not be able to break the Google monopoly. We also found that many people will just do a quick search for "asd" or "weather" and then leave because those searches aren't really differentiated (and just can't really be). Our extension is 33kB…

Having the extension and letting people try it on the web seems like a more reasonable choice. People need to try it out.

That said...there is a search textbox at the top of the page and it worked for me in Firefox and Chrome. Did people just miss it? If so, it should probably be in the middle with the big blue button.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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Hi Richard! I think competition against Google is a good thing, so I will give you and whoever else is tackling this area the strategic advice I would give myself if I was in this problem space.

If you read the comments, including your own, you’ll come to the same conclusion people did 30 years ago, while witnessing Netscape accidentally hand Yahoo the keys to the kingdom: if you want to control the search engine, control the web browser. And if you want to control the web browser... Make a web browser.

That’s not a particularly profound thought, obviously. Having a great index only took Google so far — it was obvious to them that their fate was in the hands of the browsers, and that they’d have to either own the browsers or pay the people who owned them. They did both. They’re still doing both, and that very simple equation drives a very significant portion of their entire empire.

At this point, you’re (You is? Hmm...) doing neither of these things. You’ve got a browser extension and a website that is easy to visit and then forget about. But the world of 2021 requires you to solve that browser problem if you’re going to get anywhere.

Since you’ve got access to the largest pool of capital in the world, why don’t you do it? Go back to Benioff and your other investors and tell them they’ve under-funded the mission for what you’ve got to do to make a dent in this problem space: you need to create a really great search engine and a really great web browser, and have the two tightly integrated and coupled in a way that DoJ-wary Google could never do in 2021. Yes, it’s a mission that requires a zero added to that $20m war chest, but it’s also big and weird and exciting enough to get a lot of really smart people to come out of retirement and under-employment to see what’s possible.

There’s still a very high chance of failure with this strategy, but there’s also a very high chance of something interesting and weird and different coming out of it, such that those who are involved as both employees and users would say, “that didn’t work, and I would have been financially better off just parking my savings in GOOG, but the work we did was truly different and special.” The best people in Silicon Valley are always chasing this sort of romance. You know, like, “come make a ‘dent in the universe’ at my failing computer company that acquired my other failing computer company, even though you’ll be underpaid and get stock options that are likely to be worthless, because we could maybe possibly redefine the future of computing.” Benioff once knew a guy like that.

Re: Show HN: You.com, private search engine that summarizes the web – built for devs

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I did a few quick searches on differing topics and I must say the relevancy is almost on par with Google. DDG doesn't even come close: especially for typeahead suggestions. Only weird thing is that it doesn't feel fast - may be due to whole HN doing a stress test right now. It will be nice to default to Web based on previous searches. the default all tab takes forever to load results probably due to images and videos…

Thanks. Glad you like the relevancy. We've been working on that for a while. You're right. Especially today on our launch day, we're a slower than usual. Growing pains of launching a search engine :| We'll improve speed for sure in the coming weeks.

We will open up the platform so people can contribute their own apps in the future. We're also open in the sense that users can actually select their preferences and change their search results.

We will continue to work on opening up more of the stack in the future. Stay tuned :)

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