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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by salamandersauce »

me_me_me wrote: post #172
owaislone wrote: post #165

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For me it is the ability to jump in, play for 30 mins and get out any time I want. The guarantee that everything that has a label of my console on it will work instead of my PC specs running it in a sub-optimal mode or not running at all. The fact that I don't have to worry about dealing with Windows or PC in general just to play some games but biggest of all, the ability to just pack it up and take it with me wherev…

i have GTX 970, in drivers section of Nvidia its in legacy category. I dont really see the issue of suboptimal experience to worry about. Modern games autodetect optimal options to play out of the box.

You've never had a game do a bad job of that? I've had plenty of games either set everything to Ultra and be a slideshow or set everything to low when I could easily handle medium or high. GeForce Experience helps somewhat but not every title supports it.

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Post by eqtn »

gigatexal wrote: post #192
SirHound wrote: post #174

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I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

Can you use a keyboard and a mouse with a console yet?

There are several games that support keyboard and mouse on Xbox

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Post by icemelt8 »

elondaits wrote: post #197
rvz wrote: post #114

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> it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it. Exactly. It just works and saves time. Just buy the game, plug it in and play it. Simple. No 'swap this GPU inside step', 'installing additional drivers step' or 'incompatible hardware errors', or 'run it in 32 bit mode' etc.

And it “just works” for many years, during which games get better looking, rather than having to turn down visual quality settings like on a PC five minutes after you bought it.

this is so true

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by icemelt8 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Bring me games like Uncharted 4 and SpiderMan on PC then we'll talk.

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Post by dayvid »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

You have to use Windows or deal with weird compatibility hacks?

I’m really looking forward to the Steam deck. It may not have the power of current-gen consoles, but it takes so many good things about current consoles and combines them together. Openness of a PC, not Windows, portable + docking, etc.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by [deleted] »

hvidgaard wrote: post #173
stef25 wrote: post #140

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Attempted it several times, to run Plex etc. Remote control never works well. Having to keep a mouse & keyboard near the TV is a hassle. I'm sure it's perfectly possible but some people don't want another thing to configure and troubleshoot if that's their day job.

I don't think it's easy to communicate the "Just Works(tm)" aspect of it. Any amount of messing around for any reason is too much. No matter how hard I've seen anyone try, they cannot match the console in that aspect. Pick up the controller, press a button, and off you go. You might get your PC setup to do almost that, but it will require tinkering with keyboard and mouse to update OS and install games. It's not what…

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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by mabbo »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #65
_notreallyme_ wrote: post #29

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No, signing is done with asymmetric keys. Someone sign with their private key so you can verify it with their public key, basically. Symmetric keys are used to encrypt the code for updates, generally to prevent unintentional leak of secrets or just to prevent reverse engineering. I'm not in the jailbreaking space, but I guess that what it means here is that some people may find flaws in the code and leverage them to…

I hope they also get the asymmetric keys once. I'll buy the thing then. I'm not buying hardware I can't patch to have root access and run custom firmwre on.

It's almost certainly impossible.

With symmetric encryption, both the encryptor and decryptor need a copy of the same key- that's what makes it 'symmetric'.

But with asymmetric encryption, the keys do not match. This means you can encrypt or sign the data with your private key, and then keep it private. The matching pubic key will decrypt or verify.

The device would not have a copy of the private key in it, so it's unlikely it will ever leak.

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Post by herbstein »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #78
herbstein wrote: post #75

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Symmetric keys means that anyone with the key can do everything the key allows one to do. That's bad if you're building consumer devices that contain the key. Signing with public key cryptography, which allows only verification with the end-user key, is much more secure in this scenario.

This isn't a good answer for "Why don't they use asymmetric keys for everything?" as you basically just explained that it would be more secure to use asymmetric keys.

You're right. I misread the question and thought they asked why they weren't using symmetric keys for everything. My bad.

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Post by jowsie »

apatheticonion wrote: post #161
fabian2k wrote: post #157

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Playing on a TV is different than on a desk. Of course you can do both with a PC, but often you don't have your PC in the right place to play on the couch in front of your TV. There are console-exclusive games, depending on which types of games you like those exclusives can be extremely interesting. A PC is more expensive, almost always has been. If you need a desktop PC anyway, that might not matter much as you only…

I'm with you on the benefits, but for those of us who successfully use a PC as a TV console, console exclusives are a real kick in the teeth. Bloodborne was released in 2013 and I am still waiting to play it.

It runs better on emulator than it does Playstation, there are 60fps mods :)

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by fabian2k »

zaarn wrote: post #193
fabian2k wrote: post #188

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I got a PS5 months ago for the regular price (400 EUR for the digital-only version), and I didn't put that much effort into getting it. A 3060 would be at least 700 EUR right now. And the GPU prices have been rather expensive, if not as outright insane as right now for years. So PC gaming in general has become less attractive from a financial point while console prices are pretty much the same (though with some diffi…

You don't need a 3060, you can simply get a GPU from a few generations back. You can get a Vega 56 for about 300€ which will play most games in high quality settings without any issues. Same for all other components, it's no longer true that you need current-gen technology to be able to play with Graphics put on High.

That's still 3/4 of the price of a new console for a used 4 year old GPU. And you still won't be able to match the graphics quality of a PS5 in new games.
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