Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California

Post by pangolinplayer » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

marvin wrote: post #76

azinman2 wrote: post #49

It’s easy so say net win for society is privacy. But it’s important to also acknowledge it does come at a cost — there exists criminal behavior that most reasonable people would agree is bad and should be stopped that may reach a dead end with services like Signal. In formulating your statement that examining criminal behavior is a problem, you are suggesting there shouldn’t be ways to uncover crimes.

This is the cost of abusing the public's willingness to allow certain exceptions to civil liberties. In a society where the public generally trusts the authorities, this problem wouldn't occur. People would almost always be willing to have their communications available for potential judicially-guarded examination, trusting that only justified suspicion of particularly violent crimes will ever be cause for using it.…

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

ATsch wrote: post #186

majormajor wrote: post #174

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I'm not sure which was intended, but I think this is much more accurate as a cynical comment on human nature than some comment on "shadow government/deep state" type stuff.

As defines so much of society and what people claim is "human nature", there is no need for shadow governments or deep states when you have power structures and incentives. Those scale, conspiracies don't.

Post by jrockway » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:25 PM UTC

skoskie wrote: post #193

arthur_sav wrote: post #133

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Nothing any company can do about that. Spying programs and laws will only worsen unless people really voice their concerns and elect the right people.

Except Apple is making a direct attempt at solving the issue as it relates to CSAM (and easily expanded to other data) and facing a huge backlash. I wonder if there’s no solution because we’re (myself included) are just stubbornly unwilling to consider any solution that isn’t absolute privacy. I’m not willing to sacrifice my privacy to a nosy government, but willing to consider solutions that might allow the governme…

Post by ddtaylor » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:27 PM UTC

arminiusreturns wrote: post #168

webmobdev wrote: post #148

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Yes, this is why I am very suspicious of Signal as a front for the CIA / NSA. A phone number can reveal so much information about a person because many online and offline services now ask for it.

Signal is the best we have on mobile at the moment in my estimation, but after a cursory analysis of Moxy, I totally expect one day it will be revealed he has been compromised somehow. Nation state actors already have baseband roots, so as long as those arent your threat vector, you are probably, maybe, ok on signal. I find it really interesting that Bill Binney says, despite years of me hearing the opposite, that we…

Post by jrootabega » Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 10:28 PM UTC

singron wrote: post #188

craftinator wrote: post #136

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> Spying programs and laws will only worsen unless people really voice their concerns and elect the right people. I very much suspect that who is elected has nearly zero effect on spying programs.

This is definitely not true. Dianne Feinstein for instance has been instrumental in almost all of these efforts. As a senator from California, she could be replaced with someone nearly politically identical that didn't support government surveillance.