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Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by windowsrookie »

crumpled wrote: post #58
causi wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bad. "Are they still denying us basic functionality that's been part of smartphone USB ports since MHL in 2011 for the express purpose of making us buy crap we don't want?"

You're the only person I've heard of using HDMI out of their cell phone USB port. So, I can definitely see a vendor deciding not to provide it and not pay a license for that technology on every handset they sell.

Every Samsung S Series phone has Samsung Dex which allows you to connect your phone to a TV or monitor via HDMI and have a full desktop OS experience. It's pretty great and they've been offering it for years now. You can also connect iPhones to TVs and monitors with the Apple A/V adapter.

If google wants to make phones people buy, they should at least match their competitors features.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by jjice »

I don't really pay attention to smart phone specs (I stick to cheapo android phones), but holy cow - 12GB of ram in a phone? Better than my work computer and my personal laptop. Kinda neat to see. Aside from it being neat, I sure hope to god I'd never need that much ram for what I use a phone for.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by phh »

nextos wrote: post #163
whichquestion wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 years of security updates, 3 years of feature updates. On the page it says on the 12th footnote, "Feature drops for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US. Your Pixel will receive feature drops during the applicable Android update and support periods for the phone. See g.co/pixel/updates for details." On https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 it says…

If you use a third-party ROM such as the excellent GrapheneOS, in practice you get fully featured updates for really really long. With that said, open source ROMs don't take advantage of some features such as the Tensor SoC, and therefore the camera stops performing so good.

GrapheneOS is pretty clear about not supporting devices longer than the OEM.

From their FAQ:

Why are older devices no longer supported?

GrapheneOS aims to provide reasonably private and secure devices. It cannot do that once device support code like firmware, kernel and vendor code is no longer actively maintained. Even if the community was prepared to take over maintenance of the open source code and to replace the rest, firmware would present a major issue

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by deadmutex »

tootie wrote: post #128

Hot take: I haven't seen a compelling new phone feature from any manufacturer in as long as I can remember. I spend 99% of my tapping time sending texts, using a browser and taking pictures with the rear camera. Same as I did on my Droid X which was my first smart phone circa 2011.

Btw, I just came across this: https://www.engadget.com/google-assistant-call-hold-18123642...

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by DCKing »

meetups323 wrote: post #23
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

Do you think Google doesn't scan photos uploaded to its cloud services for CSAM?

I'm aware of Google's scanning. I'm even inclined to support them doing that.

What I like about the standard Google Photos/Dropbox/OneDrive approach is that it's no secret you upload your photos to their computers, where they process them. They process them for useful features, and they process them to catch child abuse. But I understand clearly I upload it from my device to another device, and that other device can process these photos. I'm not a Google Photos customer mind you (as stated, I prefer other services than Google's), but I understand the premise, value add and what they do with my stuff on their computers. It’s not my device incriminating me, it’s someone else’s device that does that, someone else’s device I chose to send my things to. I understand that relationship.

I will not accept a relationship with a device I own, situated on my desk or in my pocket, where it try to start a process to incriminate me. That's not processing a personal device should be engaging in, even if this starts out gated behind the heavily pushed iCloud Photos (it’s technically opt in), even if the solution is technically sophisticated (it is), and even if there exist definitions of "privacy friendly" where this approach is more privacy friendly (you can argue that all day long). I just don't want a personal device to do this. If Apple wants to draw the line somewhere else than I want to draw it, that means I probably should not support that.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by hardwaregeek »

dreamer7 wrote: post #37

One interesting thing to note is how much more high-budget Hollywood style Apple's event feels in comparison to Google's event. Having watched the two events on successive days, some things stand out - Apple throws numbers repeatedly at you through out the presentation and you end up remembering quite a few useless statistics (55.7 billion transitors in M1 Max) Apple makes a much bigger deal about each device with lo…

Yeah it's amazing how other companies are unable to generate hype or awe in their presentations. I consider most Android/Windows products quite ugly but even the pretty ones are just not marketed or shot well. Notice how Apple always has their laptops displaying some stunning photo? Or how it shoots the phones to emphasize the shiny, reflective metal? It's so simple yet other companies utterly fail at it.

I remember reading about how Jobs would rehearse product releases for months, even going as far as to demand that the fire exit lights be turned off. I don't advocate for putting your audience at risk but it does demonstrate the fanatical obsession with presentation that has remained at Apple.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by fabianhjr »

kevmo wrote: post #60

Miss me with a Google monitoring device.

Google Pixel devices are some of the few with a relockable bootloader and availability (though not open source) of drivers. That makes them the _only_ option for someone that focuses on privacy. (By installing calyxOS)

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by RF_Savage »

marcellus23 wrote: post #26
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

> Apple’s stated intents to actively incriminate you by scanning your photos on a personal device More accurately put, their intent is to scan cloud photos for exact matches with known child pornography material (like every other cloud provider, including Google), and then have the case reviewed by a human only after multiple positives, and only then forwarding the case to law enforcement (based on photos you chose t…

People have had tons of fun finding collisions and seeing how far they can take an image until the apple neuralhash algo thinks it different. It very much is not an exact match like what you would get with MD5 for example. But a "perceptual hash" that means that it gets the same has even if you crop it by a couple of pixels or change some pixels.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by khqc »

eric_b wrote: post #135
ehsankia wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Not true, I see at least 2 [0] [1] 2. Even if it was true, welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of their life. [0] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/s6bCli03aqnY_KvZoPaTgiFqCj... [1] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zq1FVWVv9GOCRJ3oHJg0PHzWgE...

Your examples are hilarious and you can imagine how I missed those. Pretend all the photos were reversed, and those were the only two people of color on the whole page. Google would be (rightfully) chastised.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vAkOJHbWYn9AvxSOmlHp_1VrzW...

Does this meet your requirement?

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