Will AWS use their dirty trick again and reduce pricing, just because there is another competitor? If so, why didn't they decreased prices before?
Why would they? You’re pointing at market forces and making it out to be nefarious
Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
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Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
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Wow, that's really weird. They seem to have specifically disabled it. You can use the userscript I just made for myself [1] as a workaround for now. https://gist.github.com/selcuk/90ce1ce8b8d46c869efd6da24cde1...
It is really weird, yeah, expecially since the examples seem to be meant to be copied. Thanks for the script!
Not sure if it's been fixed, but works fine for me using Brave on Mac.
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
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Hey, R2 PM here - there's no question that the product will have 0 egress charges, regardless of destination. For archival use-cases, you do still pay us for data storage. We're referring to not charging for operations for infrequent access - we'll likely drop the stored data charge down too, eventually, but the current pricing is complex enough.
I honestly can't see how it'd be profitable if someone were to host several TB worth of files that are very frequently downloaded. My fear with anything "free" is that once you actually use it A LOT, it will be pulled from under you. I'm a lot more comfortable with $0.001/GB than $0/GB.
At high request volumes there would be a per-operation charges, so not exactly free.
Backblaze (the consumer thing, not B2) has always had unlimited backups, and still does. One of their execs (Brian) posted a graph showing a backup space utilization histogram for all customers in 2018. The first few data points are:
30% use So ~55% of their customers are using Interestingly, on that same histogram, are the last 2 customers: one using 293TB and one using 430TB. While IMO they are misusing the service, they are also an extreme minority. If that last guy was paying for that space with B2, it would cost $2150/month. Backblaze has said they just don't care. Now if it were half their users doing it, of course they would.
I can tell you one thing: R2 with free bandwidth is going to be a gift for the porn industry!
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
#204Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…
As mentioned in another comment, don't forget to consider B2's weekly 2 hour maintenance windows during the US work day: https://www.backblaze.com/scheduled-maintenance.html
Yev from Backblaze here -> that maintenance window doesn't shut down the B2 Service each Thursday for two hours. We have lots of companies like Kanopy and Cloudspot that use us as an origin store without issue!
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
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They offer a serverless platform. If you want free egress, you can check Wasabi: https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info
Wasabi charges for your largest file for 3 months. You only get "free" egress for the size of your storage.
Correction: Wasabi charges 3 months storage for all files. If you upload a file and immediately delete it, you pay for that storage for 3 months.
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
#206Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…
Responding to a deleted but interesting comment. Normally I wouldn't do this, but it's harmless enough: > Backblaze B2 transfer to Cloudflare is free egress due to bandwidth alliance and Cloudflare CDN is free egress. So you already kinda have that. Hmm... What does it mean to transfer to Cloudflare? That's interesting. I want free egress to my Hetzner servers. (4x16TB for $79EU/mo is unbeatable, primarily because He…
Vultr is a Backblaze compute partner. I've used both for years and never had a problem.
Another nice thing about B2 is that they have a 1GB free daily egress allowance, which is handy for backup programs. HashBackup (I'm the author) uses that for downloading and repacking backup data to optimize storage efficiency.
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
#207Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…
B2 is also a lot slower egress than S3, by maybe an order of magnitude.
I'm author of HashBackup and regularly run performance comparisons between object storage services. While I agree than S3 performance is generally better than B2, I personally have not seen a 10x difference in egress performance.
Here's a test I recently ran comparing S3, B2, and Storj. The test uploads a 700MB backup, downloads it and rebuilds a database, then removes it. The test was run on a small 1 CPU, 512M Vultr VPS.
S3 upload: 20.6s
S3 download: 26s
S3 remove: 1.2s
B2 upload: 28.2s
B2 download: 28.7s
B2 remove: 4.0s
Storj upload: 34.7s
Storj download: 75.3s
Storj remove: 20.6s
A footnote: the Storj tests are with a new driver so those numbers are preliminary results.
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
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According to their press release it says: > That's why Cloudflare plans to eliminate egress fees, deliver object storage that is at least 10% cheaper than S3, and make infrequent access completely free for customers A few elements of concern. It says they "plan to", so we don't know if this is near term or some moonshot type of goal. It also states earlier in the press release that the free egress frees are offered v…
Hey, R2 PM here - there's no question that the product will have 0 egress charges, regardless of destination. For archival use-cases, you do still pay us for data storage. We're referring to not charging for operations for infrequent access - we'll likely drop the stored data charge down too, eventually, but the current pricing is complex enough.
Sorry to side track things, but I have a somewhat related Cloudflare question!
I'm using Azure, rather than AWS, and I hope R2 is available for Azure eventually too.
In the mean time, I came across a Cloudflare blog post from earlier this year that said you can use Azure's preferred routing feature to point to Cloudflare, which will result in "substantially cheaper" egress bandwidth fees. Sounded good, but when I looked at Azure's bandwidth pricing it looks like egress routed through Cloudflare is barely any cheaper, only 9% or so :(
The question: am I missing something, or is that paltry reduction really all Azure is doing?
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> While it is noteworthy that GCP (Google Cloud Provider) and Microsoft Azure are part of this alliance, AWS is not! So does this mean that egress fees will be charged if an AWS server requests the file? The bandwidth alliance means when Cloudflare requests a file from GCP, GCP won't charge you egress. Cloudflare will then deliver your file to your customer for free.
small correction: gcp will still charge you but at a reduced rate.
Do you know how much the discount is? I was looking into this regarding Azure just yesterday, but it looks like they only discount the egress bandwidth by a pitiful 9% or so.