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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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And, it's back up per OP. https://twitter.com/Twotafkap/status/1443250484458962953

Although I'm glad it is up, it was sadly only restored after the tweets became popular.

The "review" that claimed it still violated policy: https://twitter.com/Twotafkap/status/1443099098438045697/pho...

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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> Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens Oh, come on. A Youtube video is culture just like ancient Greek plays are culture, or Sumerian cuneiform tablets. There is an overconsumption problem, but even if it wasn't there, that'd still be the culture that we'd want to at least archive.

I disagree entirely. This quote explains my view better than I could word it: > The term culture industry (German: Kulturindustrie) was coined by the critical theorists Theodor Adorno (1903–1969) and Max Horkheimer (1895–1973), and was presented as critical vocabulary in the chapter "The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception", of the book Dialectic of Enlightenment (1947), wherein they proposed that popul…

Sure, the output of the culture industry can be compared to the output of any other industry.

That's why it needs to be preserved, especially if it's harmful.

We keep museums not only to be wowed by amazing artifacts, but also to know our past, what life was like.

And for the same reason, everything from Hitler's radio broadcasts to doge memes is worth preserving.

See my other response in the thread.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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>wanton violence >punching someone outside of a boxing ring I could probably find 100,000 unique instances of violence solely from big Hollywood studios on Youtube as we speak

Fiction and non-fiction are almost universally treated differently.

The best part about your comment is that the video in question is fiction!

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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> Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens Oh, come on. A Youtube video is culture just like ancient Greek plays are culture, or Sumerian cuneiform tablets. There is an overconsumption problem, but even if it wasn't there, that'd still be the culture that we'd want to at least archive.

I disagree entirely. This quote explains my view better than I could word it: > The term culture industry (German: Kulturindustrie) was coined by the critical theorists Theodor Adorno (1903–1969) and Max Horkheimer (1895–1973), and was presented as critical vocabulary in the chapter "The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception", of the book Dialectic of Enlightenment (1947), wherein they proposed that popul…

I don't want to litigate what culture is or isn't but surely being more connected to nature is not going to solve any of the listed problems?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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It’s oft forgotten that U.S. intellectual property constructs were created not purely for the natural rights of individual creators, but as an incentive for public benefit: “to promote the progress of science and useful arts”.

It was common in the late 18th century to provide a rationale for the passage of a law, but the law itself by its very passage becomes legitimate irrespective of whether it fulfills its stated purpose. The rationale doesn't restrict the scope of the law, it's simply a belt onion: there because "it was the style at the time". Courts have ruled that the justification in the Second Amendment, of establishing and protect…

I don't claim that original intent has any bearing on copyrights/patents being enforceable or legitimate. Similar to the 18th Amendment vs. the Volstead Act, the Constitution merely authorizes the power to the state, while specific laws of Congress handle the details.

I'm making the upstream normative claim: so long as we have intellectual property (there are certainly moral and practical arguments against it), laws passed by Congress should reflect that intent: that temporary artificial monopolies also carry positive externalities to society at large. While incentives for creation are certainly part of that story, I think there is a strong case for reforming that balance: shortening copyrights, limiting/eliminating patents on software and business methods, and strengthening fair use and consumer rights.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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post #187

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> Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens Oh, come on. A Youtube video is culture just like ancient Greek plays are culture, or Sumerian cuneiform tablets. There is an overconsumption problem, but even if it wasn't there, that'd still be the culture that we'd want to at least archive.

Well, most of it is just trash that won’t make anyone less rich if lost. It’s like putting a script of Antigone and a sex advertising graffiti in Pompeii on the same level.

This is a bit gatekeep-y. Who defines what is trash and not significant. There are 7 billion people on earth, do you think the same things need to be equally relevant to everyone? Something you might find trash can have enormous impact on someone else's life. One of my favorite entertainment products is pro wrestling, many, many people consider it trash. Should it be thrown out?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

#208

And, it's back up per OP. https://twitter.com/Twotafkap/status/1443250484458962953

The fact that it is back up is even worse. If the take down was correct, why bring it back? If the take down was wrong, where was the initial oversight? It's all so arbitrary.

The back and forth is what really reinforces that nobody knows what they're doing and content creators are really just at the whim of tech giants. Trying to come up with and impose policy on what humans produce is hard for the justice system, with it's multiple levels of courts and lawmakers and hundreds of years of jurisprudence. What hope does one company have.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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> does not bind the amendment to apply only to the establishment and protection of a body designated as the militia It does, but only because US code says that there's two militias. The organized militias (the National Guards), and the unorganized militias consisting of every able bodied man 17-45. Since the 14th amendment was written later, that bit of code is now interpreted to mean all adults. https://www.law.corn…

That's not the interpretation used by the Supreme Court in D.C. v. Heller : > The Supreme Court held: > (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53. > (a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope…

If you read the decision, it actually is the interpretation used by the Supreme Court there. You can actually see this in the next bullet that you cut off

> (b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court's interpretation of the operative clause. The "militia" comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens' militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens' militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

You can also see this clearly in US v. Miller, where sawed off shotguns were allowed to banned only because they had no military use (at the time). The unorganized militia must be allowed to use military weapons, which is why you can still go out and buy all sorts of crazy stuff like miniguns if you have enough money.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Not being technically savvy is such a strawman. I'm not missing the point of video streaming. Most of my career is because of video streaming. If you build a house of straw because you're not technically savvy to build it out of brick doesn't mean you get to complain that the wind blew it down even if it was a big bad wolf. If you don't do something right, it's nobody's fault but your own. It's often called growing p…

> If you build a house of straw because you're not technically savvy to build it out of brick doesn't mean you get to complain that the wind blew it down even if it was a big bad wolf. Let's apply this reasoning to a few other examples. Let's say you live in the jungle, and build your house to jungle building codes. Then, a logging company comes in and dismantles your furniture to make particle board for IKEA product…

No one is coming into your jungle to dismantle your house, or searching your vehicle to seize your wallet. You are going out of your way to utilize other people's infrastructure.

If you don't rely upon youtube, you don't need to worry about youtube. If you choose to take advantage of the ease and convenience of utilizing their freely-available service, you have to deal with their rules. For most people, it's a small price to pay. For everyone else, there's stackoverflow.

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